Treamayne Posted January 16, 2023 Report Share Posted January 16, 2023 (edited) On 1/16/2023 at 5:49 PM, Amira said: Other thoughts about previous chapters/interludes: So both Dalinar and Lift have sought the old magic. We know what Dalinar lost (his memory), but not what he gained, and we know what Lift gained (the ability to turn her body's normal energy into Stormlight and "touch" the cognitive realm) but we don't know what she lost. You got more info on Dalinar's experience in Book 3. There is a hint at both sides of Lift's bargain in that interlude. The other half of the bargain is implied much earlier than her ability to metabolize food into light. Spoiler (WoR I-9) in case you would rather not go look for it yourself: Spoiler Quote “She’s just a child!” “She’s a youth. She’s at least twelve.” “I ain’t twelve,” Lift snapped, looming over them. They turned up toward her. “I ain’t,” she said. “Twelve’s an unlucky number.” She held up her hands. “I’m only this many.” “. . . Ten?” Tigzikk asked. “Is that how many that is? Sure, then. Ten.” She lowered her hands. “If I can’t count it on my fingers, it’s unlucky.” And she’d been that many for three years now. So there. Further Spoiler for partial explanation Spoiler Lift asked to "not grow up, not to change." Edited July 26, 2023 by Treamayne 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amira Posted January 17, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 SA2, chapter 59, Kaladin: The reason I don't like Wit so much is that he always seems to stall the plot in favor of dumb jokes and vague hints :/ 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treamayne Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 34 minutes ago, Amira said: SA2, chapter 59, Kaladin: The reason I don't like Wit so much is that he always seems to stall the plot in favor of dumb jokes and vague hints :/ I'm guessing this was the Fleet chapter. Fleet (and the Wandersail in TWoK) might seem inconsequential; but there are usually some nuggets to be mined. Also, forewarning, Wit's first story was worldbuilding, two might be coincidence, but three would be a pattern. . . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaladinWorldsinger Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 3 hours ago, Amira said: SA2, chapter 59, Kaladin: The reason I don't like Wit so much is that he always seems to stall the plot in favor of dumb jokes and vague hints :/ Wit is one of the funniest cosmere characters.... Sadly that's not saying much. Brandon's humour is ok at best... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alder24 Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 9 hours ago, Amira said: SA2, chapter 59, Kaladin: The reason I don't like Wit so much is that he always seems to stall the plot in favor of dumb jokes and vague hints :/ Stories that Wit tells are there for a reason. They're there to reflect on the character, help him a bit. They're for character development. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BinarySecond Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 Don't worry, I HATED Lift the first time I encountered her. I disliked the way she talked and thought about stuff and was generally just childish. I do not dislike her anymore. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishikk Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, BinarySecond said: Don't worry, I HATED Lift the first time I encountered her. I disliked the way she talked and thought about stuff and was generally just childish. I do not dislike her anymore. Once I read Edgedancer it changed how I thought of her. It developed her character and created a more fun one. RoW also nicely develops her and so now I like her a lot more. Edited January 17, 2023 by Ishikk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amira Posted January 18, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2023 (edited) SA2, chapter 60: Shallan learning to use her powers doesn't excite me as much as Kaladin learning to use his, partly because I like Kaladin more, partly because I like his powers more, and partly because right now I'm dying to find out what happens with him! My rep claims I'm a Svrakiss. I'm guessing that's something from Stormlight, with all the consonants smashed together? Chapter 61: Shallan's past continues to be depressing. Next chapter is Kaladin! Edited January 18, 2023 by Amira 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaladinWorldsinger Posted January 18, 2023 Report Share Posted January 18, 2023 1 hour ago, Amira said: My rep claims I'm a Svrakiss. I'm guessing that's something from Stormlight, with all the consonants smashed together? Nope, from Elantris again. Demons in their mythology if I am right. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amira Posted January 18, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2023 SA2, chapter 62: Oh no, Kaladin is agreeing with Moash! 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treamayne Posted January 18, 2023 Report Share Posted January 18, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Amira said: SA2, chapter 62: Oh no, Kaladin is agreeing with Moash! Yeah. . . that can't end well. Good catch. What I was hoping for was, at this point: Spoiler “You saw this Roshone punished?” Kaladin asked, voice soft, feeling numb. “Exiled,” Dalinar said, nodding. “Elhokar moved the man to a place where he couldn’t do any more harm.” A place he couldn’t do any more harm. Kaladin almost laughed. Kaladin should have laughed (in a bleak and pained way) and told Dalinar right then what "couldn’t do any more harm" looked like. I'll circle back to this later in WoR, when the rest of my comment won't need spoilers. Edited January 18, 2023 by Treamayne SPAG 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amira Posted January 18, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2023 (edited) SA2, chapter 63: Shallan's storyline is really interesting in this book; way more than in TWoK. And now she's trapped in a room with Taln when Amaram is about to walk in, yikes! Chapter 64: Kaladin managed to get some Stormlight, nice. And Shallan was offered a place with the Ghostbloods, yikes! I assume she can use lightweaving to fake their tattoo. Edited January 18, 2023 by Amira 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOtherDave Posted January 18, 2023 Report Share Posted January 18, 2023 1 hour ago, Amira said: SA2, chapter 63: Shallan's storyline is really interesting in this book; way more than in TWoK. Yeah. TWoK is very much Kaladin’s book, and WoR is very much Shallan’s. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BinarySecond Posted January 18, 2023 Report Share Posted January 18, 2023 7 hours ago, Amira said: Kaladin managed to get some Stormlight, nice. Junkie gets his fix 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elder Posted January 18, 2023 Report Share Posted January 18, 2023 On 1/16/2023 at 6:17 PM, Amira said: SA2, chapter 59, Kaladin: The reason I don't like Wit so much is that he always seems to stall the plot in favor of dumb jokes and vague hints :/ I’d say the peak of his story telling comes in RoW. And his insult game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alder24 Posted January 18, 2023 Report Share Posted January 18, 2023 11 hours ago, Amira said: SA2, chapter 62: Oh no, Kaladin is agreeing with Moash! Well, you should see this coming after his imprisonment 10 hours ago, Amira said: SA2, chapter 63: Shallan's storyline is really interesting in this book; way more than in TWoK. And now she's trapped in a room with Taln when Amaram is about to walk in, yikes! Yes, Shallan's story is much better in this one, more action, mysteries, training. This chapter is great example of this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amira Posted January 18, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2023 (edited) SA2, chapter 65, Shallan's past: I wonder why Malise feels that Shallan deserves her father's wrath. I feel a lot like past Shallan today. The people in power never seem to realize how they're destroying the lives of people under their power, and some of us are broken beyond repair because of it... A couple things I forgot to mention: 1) One could technically argue that Alodin's one against four duel was actually a five against four. There was Adolin, Renarin, Kaladin, we know Pattern also helped, and since Kaladin used Surgebinding, you could technically argue that Syl helped too... 2) I liked how Kaladin thought that he'd actually be happy if Adolin became a Surgebinder. Chapter 66: Loved Adolin in this chapter! So nice to see Adolin and Kaladin starting to become friends. Adolin (1) went to prison as a gesture to Kaladin, (2) gave Kaladin Shards, and (3) believed Kaladin about Amaram (go Adolin!!). Meanwhile, Kaladin... did WHAT? No... Kaladin... I expected better from you... You don't just decide to kill a man because "it will be better for the world". That's not how it works! I assume Kaladin eventually comes to his senses, seeing as everyone in this forum still loves him. I just hope it's soon. Gosh, the characters in Stormlight are so stupid sometimes... Edited January 18, 2023 by Amira 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treamayne Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 2 hours ago, Amira said: SA2, chapter 65, Shallan's past: I wonder why Malise feels that Shallan deserves her father's wrath. I feel a lot like past Shallan today. The people in power never seem to realize how they're destroying the lives of people under their power, and some of us are broken beyond repair because of it... There's much more gong on here. . . Quote Chapter 66: Loved Adolin in this chapter! So nice to see Adolin and Kaladin starting to become friends. Adolin (1) went to prison as a gesture to Kaladin, (2) gave Kaladin Shards, This is what I was looking forward to you finding way back on Page 14, Glad you liked it as much as I had hoped. On 12/17/2022 at 5:18 PM, Treamayne said: On 12/17/2022 at 3:20 PM, Amira said: SA2, chapter 29:Meanwhile Adolin is rocking it, I'm starting to like his character more. Adolin certainly received some much-needed character development in WoR. For me the highpoint is Ch 66 (spoiler - so you may want to wait and come back to read this when you get that far): Spoiler Quote Kaladin frowned. “Wait. Are you wearing cologne? In prison?” “Well, there was no need to be barbaric, just because I was incarcerated.” “Storms, you’re spoiled,” Kaladin said, smiling. “I’m refined, you insolent farmer,” Adolin said. Then he grinned. Not only is Adolin finally able to get passed his bruised ego from their meeting on the Tower in WOK; but Kaladin is finally able to accept that a Lighteyes can be a good person (or more-accurately that people being decent or horrible is not a factor of social station or importance). It's the start of a lot of healing for both of them Quote (3) believed Kaladin about Amaram (go Adolin!!). Meanwhile, Kaladin... did WHAT? No... Kaladin... I expected better from you... You don't just decide to kill a man because "it will be better for the world". That's not how it works! I assume Kaladin eventually comes to his senses, seeing as everyone in this forum still loves him. I just hope it's soon. Gosh, the characters in Stormlight are so stupid sometimes... This ties into some of the Epigraphs and a comment from Syl in Ch 22 Spoiler Kaladin turned and walked back toward Dalinar’s warcamp. Syl flitted up and landed on his shoulder. “See,” she said. “He listened.” “No he didn’t, Syl.” “What? He replied and said—” “I told him something he didn’t want to hear,” Kaladin said. “Even if he does look into it, he’ll find plenty of reasons to dismiss what I said. In the end, it will be my word against Amaram’s. Stormfather! I shouldn’t have said anything.” “You’d let it go, then?” “Storms, no,” Kaladin said. “I’d find my own justice.” “Oh . . .” Syl settled on his shoulder. They walked for a long while, eventually approaching the warcamp. “You’re not a Skybreaker, Kaladin,” Syl finally said. “You’re not supposed to be like this.” “A what?” he asked Quote Gosh, the characters in Stormlight are so stupid sometimes... Kinda like people IRL? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king of nowhere Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Amira said: I assume Kaladin eventually comes to his senses, seeing as everyone in this forum still loves him. I like your reasoning here Edited January 19, 2023 by king of nowhere 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amira Posted January 19, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 17 minutes ago, Treamayne said: Kinda like people IRL? Yes. 1 minute ago, king of nowhere said: I like your reasoning here Either that or he's bluffing, but I feel like that's giving him too much credit... SA2, chapter 67, Dalinar: Ugh, it's the start of part 4, and everything has slowed down again. I want the action back! Give me Kaladin! Surgebinding! Flying! Dalinar and Adolin finding out! Kaladin vs Szeth! Although now Kaladin is conspiring to commit murder, so do I still want to hear about him? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erklitt Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 13 minutes ago, Amira said: Although now Kaladin is conspiring to commit murder, so do I still want to hear about him? Yes, you definitely do! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amira Posted January 19, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Erklitt said: Yes, you definitely do! I'll take your word for it. SA2, chapter 68, Kaladin: Quote "It was a man, a glowing one, who flew around in the sky back and forth over the Plains" LOL this cracked me up, not even sure why. Okay, so the problem is Kaladin made two conflicting promises. That makes things a little better I guess, though I still don't like how Surgebinding doesn't work if you don't follow the right morals. I'm never going to like that. Glad to see all the main characters together again though - Kaladin, Shallan, Adolin, and Dalinar. And now someone's trying to throw Dalinar into the chasm; yikes! I'd better read the next chapter! Chapter 69: Very cool twist of events! Kaladin and Shallan are down in the chasms! Of course they could both survive the fall with Stormlight. I wonder if they'll end up finding out about each other! I hope Kaladin's warning led to Adolin saving Dalinar. Pretty cool how Kaladin keeps saving Dalinar over and over. Doing his job. Edited January 19, 2023 by Amira 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treamayne Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Amira said: though I still don't like how Surgebinding doesn't work if you don't follow the right morals. Keep in mind the morals and precepts aren't the same for every order. You can even take an official quiz. (Quiz results may have more information that you want at this point - but are not spoilers for the actual stories) Edited January 19, 2023 by Treamayne Warning 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elder Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Amira said: I'll take your word for it. SA2, chapter 68, Kaladin: LOL this cracked me up, not even sure why. Okay, so the problem is Kaladin made two conflicting promises. That makes things a little better I guess, though I still don't like how Surgebinding doesn't work if you don't follow the right morals. I'm never going to like that. Glad to see all the main characters together again though - Kaladin, Shallan, Adolin, and Dalinar. And now someone's trying to throw Dalinar into the chasm; yikes! I'd better read the next chapter! Chapter 69: Very cool twist of events! Kaladin and Shallan are down in the chasms! Of course they could both survive the fall with Stormlight. I wonder if they'll end up finding out about each other! I hope Kaladin's warning led to Adolin saving Dalinar. Pretty cool how Kaladin keeps saving Dalinar over and over. Doing his job. Fair Warning, Knights needing to live up to the ideals they speak to get their powers is integral to this series, especially in this book. Sanderson believes that powers are only as interesting as their limitations. Surgebinders are some of the most powerful he’s made. As such, he’s devised a particular limitation for them. EDIT: not sure how much you’ll like why the powers have a moral requirement. Edited January 19, 2023 by Elder 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amira Posted January 19, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 12 minutes ago, Elder said: Not sure how much you’ll like why the powers have a moral requirement. I won't, but that's fine. This is my personal preference. SA2, chapter 70: wow, Kaladin and Shallan walking through the chasms is taking its sweet time and nothing seems to happen. I want them to find out about each other's surgebinding already! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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