Thaidakar the Ghostblood he/him Posted March 31, 2022 Report Share Posted March 31, 2022 3 minutes ago, Ashbringer said: My current take: Gavilar is an idiot. I also think the Stormfather's appearance is really similar to a certain pair of mist spirits... I'm in Team Tanavast. Or at least a fragment of Tanavast. honestly YES. maybe akin to the shadows of self. Gavilar is the cremmiest (auto correct says creamiest) idiot of all SA! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danex he/him Posted March 31, 2022 Report Share Posted March 31, 2022 1 minute ago, Thaidakar the Ghostblood said: honestly YES. maybe akin to the shadows of self. Gavilar is the cremmiest (auto correct says creamiest) idiot of all SA! moash would like to say hi also i didnt even find him that bad he gets a min-redemption right there at the end when he thinks of his family 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaidakar the Ghostblood he/him Posted March 31, 2022 Report Share Posted March 31, 2022 Just now, Dannnex said: moash would like to say hi also i didnt even find him that bad he gets a min-redemption right there at the end when he thinks of his family true, true. Gavilar might be the fourth most idiotic cremling in SA. (current alignment is. Moash, ROdium, Amaram, Gavilar, Mraize.) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiePie Posted March 31, 2022 Report Share Posted March 31, 2022 I think the reason that the Stormfather seemed so much like a different person with Gavilar than he did with Gavilar I think is because he is. Brandon has implied before that the Stormfather has started the bonding process with more people than just Gavilar and Dalinar. Quote coltonx9 How many people, about, were sent visions by the Stormfather? Brandon Sanderson The Stormfather? It was less than ten. Fewer than ten. Idaho Falls signing (Dec. 29, 2018) there might be a better WoB for it, but this is the only one I could find on short notice. But the way I interpret it as is that the Stormfather starts bonding Gavilar (maybe it's his first try, maybe it's not, but it's early on in his search), and Gavilar turns out to be a pile of crem. Just terrible, wants nothing other than to be immortal and his big pitch to the Stormfather is to knowingly cause the deaths of millions. So after Gavilar's death, he swears to himself not to choose Dalinar (whom he remarks has potential) with the fear that he'll turn up like Gavilar, and goes off to try and find someone else to be a Bondsmith. Over the course of the next 6 years he fails miserably, and eventually he, running out of time, turns to Dalinar as his last option. The Stormfather hates this, and between that and how badly he handled Gavilar he spends the early days between him and Dalinar being very distant, to the point that Dalinar has to go to the top of Urithiru and guilt trip the Stormfather into accepting his first oath. The Stormfather, while still proud, is much more humble and suspicious when we first meet him. He hates that he was proven wrong so many times. Also I think that a good reason the Stormfather flip flopped between being more storm-like and more human-like has to do with how breaking oaths effects bonded Spren: When Kaladin breaks his oaths, Syl begins to act more like a Windspren and loses a lot of her mental ability. I think that when Gavilar was closer to saying the first oath the Stormfather was more human-like, and when he was further away the Stormfather acted less like a person. On another note, the only thing I didn't like about the reading was how we didn't see Gavilar get his crem kicked in by Szeth. 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightsOfHonor Posted March 31, 2022 Report Share Posted March 31, 2022 I am just glad Gavilar did not know as much as he seemed to. It always bothered me that a "regular" mortal in the span of less than one lifetime could rise to the likes of heralds and Thaidakar. Knowing that he was a bit clueless is way more realistic and, in my opinion, satisfying. >:) 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSuperLee he/him Posted March 31, 2022 Report Share Posted March 31, 2022 1 minute ago, KnightsOfHonor said: I am just glad Gavilar did not know as much as he seemed to. It always bothered me that a "regular" mortal in the span of less than one lifetime could rise to the likes of heralds and Thaidakar. Knowing that he was a bit clueless is way more realistic and, in my opinion, satisfying. >:) Agreed, there was definitely a level of satisfaction in realizing that we, the fans, know more in some ways than a person that's been built up as some kind of genius mastermind. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashbringer he/him Posted March 31, 2022 Report Share Posted March 31, 2022 1 hour ago, Dannnex said: moash would like to say hi also i didnt even find him that bad he gets a min-redemption right there at the end when he thinks of his family Yeah, I definitely think Gavilar's not as terrible a person as he seemed in OB/RoW era. Am I very glad he didn't end up being a Herald or a Shard (as far as we know )? Oh yeah. Is T-Odium much much scarier? Most definitely Also much better than Moash. Gavilar's just someone who dabbled in powers and games he did not understand, and in the end he gave the rest of a Roshar a chance at the expense of his legacy. I do hope we get a bit more of him though. He got Voidlight and Anti-Voidlight from somewhere... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos he/him Posted March 31, 2022 Report Share Posted March 31, 2022 1 hour ago, Serack said: @LewsTherinTelescope, I put a lot of effort into summarizing the main discussion going on in this topic about the theory that someone is impersonating The Stormfather here Do you think you could link this in the OP, or could I possibly make a new post of it? Hi, sorry, the OP for these threads is more to just give you all a platform, rather than try and index people's various thoughts. You can certainly make a separate topic (tag with [SA5 Prologue] ) if you're worried about it being lost in the shuffle. That'd be like having our RoW Full Book reactions link to people's individual reactions. That's a bit odd. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashbringer he/him Posted March 31, 2022 Report Share Posted March 31, 2022 Do we know when we're going to get an SA 5 Spoiler section, or is that likely going to wait until the "official" prologue / title release? Yes I want to have a meme thread 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheat Commando he/him Posted March 31, 2022 Report Share Posted March 31, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, HSuperLee said: Agreed, there was definitely a level of satisfaction in realizing that we, the fans, know more in some ways than a person that's been built up as some kind of genius mastermind. Also agree. Granted, I was hoping for more juicy secrets to be revealed in this prologue, but I am pleased with what we saw. I reread Oathbringer a few months ago and I am fairly certain that Dalinar's Stormfather manifests as a simmering presence in one or more of the visions. I believe it's when he brings Queen Fen in, but it might have been one of the ones with Yanagawn. So that's a point in favor of the Same Stormfather theory. Personally, I am in favor of the StormFaker theory. I don't have any additional pieces of evidence to offer, but I do think Ishar is the most likely candidate. I find it odd that the real Stormfather doesn't sense the presence or interference of the StormFaker, so my theory is that the real Stormfather had already moved on from Gavilar some time before the night of Gavilar's death. Ishar then swooped in, picked up where the Stormfather left off, and started influencing Gavilar. Since Gavilar had already seen the visions, Ishar was able to access them through that prior Connection and show them to Gavilar at Gavilar's will. As for the StormFaker/Ishar foreseeing Gavilar's death, well... Ishar's called the Herald of Luck for a reason, right? (Small aluminum hat theory: if the StormFaker is not Ishar, then perhaps El????) Edited March 31, 2022 by Cheat Commando turned "seeing" into "foreseeing" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frustration he/him Posted March 31, 2022 Report Share Posted March 31, 2022 Something else I thought of, how would Ishar manipulate Gavilar's connection without touching him? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheat Commando he/him Posted March 31, 2022 Report Share Posted March 31, 2022 2 minutes ago, Frustration said: Something else I thought of, how would Ishar manipulate Gavilar's connection without touching him? Unfortunately for me, that is a good point... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teknopathetic he/him Posted March 31, 2022 Report Share Posted March 31, 2022 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Cheat Commando said: Unfortunately for me, that is a good point... There are likely many ways. I assume the Herald of connection would be very very in the know about what is possible, be it in-world magic, off-world magic, using spren, or using other forms of connection. I dont think not knowing is proof against here. How does Dalinar get a vision from Noadon? How does Khal meet Tien? How does Hoid connect with Khal in the Braize vision? How does Lift get into the Visions? There are a lot of connection things going on on Roshar that dont have full explanations yet. Edited March 31, 2022 by teknopathetic 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ShardlessVessel Posted March 31, 2022 Report Share Posted March 31, 2022 3 hours ago, mdross81 said: This bit about Axindweth is intriguing: This seems a very different explanation of her departure than we got from Ulim in RoW 77: From this it sounds like Gavilar wanted to continue working with her. The inference is that she had somehow helped him to bring Voidspren through to Roshar and that, without her help, he’d need fabrials to do it. Which begs two questions: 1. Why did Axindweth actually stop helping Gavilar? 2. Why did she lie to Ulim about her reasons for leaving? The impression I get is that Gavilar thinks the "conniving" Axindweth tried to manipulate him and then ran away after he grew suspicious, when in reality she was discovered by rivals, framed and forced to flee. Speaking of which, there was a Feruchemist keeping an eye on Dalinar up until ROW... Spoiler starman2995 Who owned the red chicken, and what was its purpose? Brandon Sanderson The red chicken was owned by the Feruchemist who was keeping an eye on Dalinar in his house. YouTube Livestream 23 (Dec. 17, 2020) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashbringer he/him Posted March 31, 2022 Report Share Posted March 31, 2022 3 minutes ago, teknopathetic said: There are likely many ways. I assume the Herald of connection would be very very in the know about what is possible, be it in-world magic, off-world magic, using spren, or using other forms of connection. How does Dalinar get a vision from Noadon? How does Khal meet Tien? How does Hoid connect with Khal in the Braize vision? How does Lift get into the Visions? There are a lot of connection things going on on Roshar. ... how did Kaladin meet Tien? His brother? ... Oh, do you mean in the RoW vision? That is a good question, but probably via Dalinar Connection Shenanigans. Seems to be a Bondsmith (and thus likely Stormfather/Sibling/Nightwatcher) specialty. As for Ishar... not sure. Depends how much he could do during the Desolations. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy92 Posted March 31, 2022 Report Share Posted March 31, 2022 When the line of a Herald dying was mentioned (most likely Chana from the years of fan theories), I was sold on Gavilar ascending as a Herald on his death bed after Szeth left him. Guess he ended up just being a blowhard lol 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frustration he/him Posted March 31, 2022 Report Share Posted March 31, 2022 4 minutes ago, teknopathetic said: There are likely many ways. I assume the Herald of connection would be very very in the know about what is possible, be it in-world magic, off-world magic, using spren, or using other forms of connection. I dont think not knowing is not proof here. Ishar doesn't manipulate Connection in RoW until he touches the individual. 5 minutes ago, teknopathetic said: How does Dalinar get a vision from Noadon? How does Khal meet Tien? Both of those seem to be built as evidence for the God Beyond. 6 minutes ago, teknopathetic said: How does Hoid connect with Khal in the Braize vision? He has a pre-established Connection to Kal. 7 minutes ago, teknopathetic said: How does Lift get into the Visions? She was made by Cultivation "Specifically to defy my(Stormfather's) will." 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NameIess Posted March 31, 2022 Report Share Posted March 31, 2022 1 minute ago, Frustration said: He has a pre-established Connection to Kal. He has a connection to other Bondsmiths, and Gavilar was a Bondsmith candidate. That might have given enough of a connection. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teknopathetic he/him Posted March 31, 2022 Report Share Posted March 31, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Frustration said: Ishar doesn't manipulate Connection in RoW until he touches the individual. Both of those seem to be built as evidence for the God Beyond. He has a pre-established Connection to Kal. She was made by Cultivation "Specifically to defy my(Stormfather's) will." What I am saying with these is that there are multiple ways. If we had never seen Lift slide into a vision, we would all say it isnt possible. I think we should be opened minded when it comes to a Herald. Who is to say Ishar isnt using a connection fabrial? We know there are ways to use surges without a blade, so we cant take "how does he connect" as counter evidence. A herald simply has too many resources for us to discount when we consider fabrials and adapted arts. Maybe the herald of Bondmsiths is connected to potential bondsmiths. Who knows? Someone saying Kelsier uses a shapeshifting invisible Seon to pose as himself offworld would have been laughed out of the room 2 years ago. I think we have to let Gods be godly here and there. What we know is that something is very off with the Stormfather. If it is a fake, then there is a way to fake it. If Brandon wanted it to be a fake, there would be a way to do so. Edited March 31, 2022 by teknopathetic 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightsOfHonor Posted March 31, 2022 Report Share Posted March 31, 2022 I am definitely on the "not the real Stormfather" train at the moment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiliusHonoris Posted March 31, 2022 Report Share Posted March 31, 2022 In my opinion the Stormfather offered his own perfectly reasonable explanation for the different way he behaves with Dalinar, assuming that he is indeed the same Stormfather. Gavilar ultimately let the Stormfather down because of the influence of the Vorin religion as well as his firm belief that he had been chosen by a god-like entity to ascend as a Herald because the Stormfather told him just that. The Stormfather acknowledges that Gavilar's Vorin upbringing was a primary contributor to his failure, and that in retrospect it was inevitable and should have been obvious. He also mentions that it was a mistake to be so open with Gavilar and to provide information so "easily". It seems to me that the Stormfather rectified those mistakes with Dalinar. By being withdrawn and reticent, he forces Dalinar to fight tooth and nail for every scrap of information. Dalinar has to go on his own journey to uncover a lot of these higher mysteries rather than having the destination of ascendance presented early on. During this search for information, he's even forced to abandon the shackles of the Vorin religion and he ultimately comes to the conclusion that the solution to their predicament must lie within the recreation of the Oathpact. I could go on but I'll leave it at that and see what you guys think. I am pretty firmly convinced that it was the real Stormfather, merely learning from his mistakes and taking a different approach with Dalinar in order to fulfill Honor's directive. 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frustration he/him Posted March 31, 2022 Report Share Posted March 31, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Nameless said: He has a connection to other Bondsmiths, and Gavilar was a Bondsmith candidate. That might have given enough of a connection. Was Gavilar a Bondsmith? 9 minutes ago, teknopathetic said: What I am saying with these is that there are multiple ways. If we had never seen Lift slide into a vision, we would all say it isnt possible. I think we should be opened minded when it comes to a Herald. Who is to say Ishar isnt using a connection fabrial? We know there are ways to use surges without a blade, so we cant take "how does he connect" as counter evidence. A herald simply has too many resources for us to discount when we consider fabrials and adapted arts. Someone saying Kelsier uses a Seon would have been klaughed out of the room 2 years ago. I think we have to let Gods be godly here and there. For clairification are you asking me to allow you to continue to theorise? Or to stop coming up with problems with it? 9 minutes ago, teknopathetic said: What we know is that something is very off with the Stormfather. If it is a fake, then there is a way to fake it. I don't think anything is off. Edited March 31, 2022 by Frustration 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will777r Posted March 31, 2022 Report Share Posted March 31, 2022 How would Ishar know if another herald died? I seem to remember in The Way of Kings opening that Kalak didn’t know that Taln died in the battle. Not until Jezrien told him at leadt. Do we have any confirmation that a herald knows when another herald dies? Jezrien’s death was a final death so thats different. I assumed that was the only reason the other heralds felt it. I do agree that the Stormfather is portrayed as way different in this prologue but his knowledge of a herald’s death makes me think it must be the real Stormfather. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Pagerunner he/him Posted March 31, 2022 Popular Post Report Share Posted March 31, 2022 Hoo, boy, I work on transcribing the thing, and I miss a whole bunch of pages of discussion. (Transcription is here, by the way. https://wob.coppermind.net/events/495-prologue-to-stormlight-book-five/#e15580) I've got a few things back from my first post to expound on. First is the bit about Mishram that gets a little funky. Gavilar assumes that the "him" in "one who could rival him" is Thaidakar. But Mishram is the "other god." In contrast to whom? Not Thaidakar; the timelines don't work out, and also that's ridiculous. Odium? That's what seems to be implied by the Stormfather later. Or, perhaps, is it the Rider of Storms who betrayed the singers so long ago? And he's just lying to Gavilar again? Quote "He wants to find you," Gavilar said. "I have protected you so far, but he makes demands. Do you know why? What is it he wants from you, Restares?" "Secrets," Restares whispered. "The man can't abide someone having more secrets than him." "What secrets?" Gavilar said, firm, causing Restares to cringe down before him. "What is it you know, Restares? I've put with your games long enough, your lies long enough. If you want my support, you need to talk to me? What is going on? What does Thaidakar want?" "I know where she is hidden," Restares whispered, "where her soul is. Ba-Ado-Mishram. Granter of forms. Their other god. The one who could rival him. The one we betrayed." Mishram? The Unmade? Gavilar frowned, trying to connect that to what he knew. Why would Thaidakar care about an Unmade? It didn't seem to fit; a piece of the puzzle so oddly shaped he wasn't even sure how to use it. ... "Why would Thaidakar be so interested in Ba-Ado-Mishram?" As he sometimes did, the Stormfather formed a rippling in the air beside Gavilar, vaguely in the shape of a person, but indistinct. Without color or really form, like the wavering in the air made by a great heat on the stones. Sʜᴇ ᴄʀᴇᴀᴛᴇᴅ ʏᴏᴜʀ ᴘᴀʀsʜᴍᴇɴ, he said, ᴏɴ ᴀᴄᴄɪᴅᴇɴᴛ. Lᴏɴɢ ᴀɢᴏ, ᴀғᴛᴇʀ ᴛʜᴇ Hᴇʀᴀʟᴅs' ғɪɴᴀʟ ᴠɪsɪᴛ ʙᴜᴛ ʙᴇғᴏʀᴇ ᴛʜᴇ Rᴇᴄʀᴇᴀɴᴄᴇ, Mɪsʜʀᴀᴍ ᴛʀɪᴇᴅ ᴛᴏ ʀɪsᴇ ᴜᴘ ᴀɴᴅ ʀᴇᴘʟᴀᴄᴇ ᴛʜᴇ ɢᴏᴅ ᴏғ Vᴏɪᴅʙʀɪɴɢᴇʀs. Sʜᴇ ɢᴀᴠᴇ ᴛʜᴇ ᴄᴏᴍᴍᴏɴ Vᴏɪᴅʙʀɪɴɢᴇʀs ғᴏʀᴍs, Vᴏɪᴅʟɪɢʜᴛ, ᴀʙɪʟɪᴛɪᴇs ᴛᴏ ғɪɢʜᴛ ғᴏʀ ᴛʜᴇᴍsᴇʟᴠᴇs. "Curious," Gavilar said. "And then?" Aɴᴅ ᴛʜᴇɴ sʜᴇ ғᴇʟʟ. Sʜᴇ ᴡᴀs ᴛᴏᴏ sᴍᴀʟʟ ᴀ ʙᴇɪɴɢ, ɴᴏᴛ sᴛʀᴏɴɢ ᴇɴᴏᴜɢʜ ᴛᴏ ᴜᴘʜᴏʟᴅ ᴀɴ ᴇɴᴛɪʀᴇ ᴘᴇᴏᴘʟᴇ. Iᴛ ᴀʟʟ ᴄᴀᴍᴇ ᴄʀᴀsʜɪɴɢ ᴅᴏᴡɴ. Aɴᴅ sᴏ, sᴏᴍᴇ ʙʀᴀᴠᴇ ᴍᴇɴ ᴀɴᴅ ᴡᴏᴍᴇɴ, Rᴀᴅɪᴀɴᴛs, ᴅɪᴅ sᴏᴍᴇᴛʜɪɴɢ ᴛʜᴀᴛ ʜᴀᴅ ᴛᴏ ʙᴇ ᴅᴏɴᴇ: ᴛʀᴀᴘᴘɪɴɢ Mɪsʜʀᴀᴍ ɪɴ ᴀ ɢᴇᴍsᴛᴏɴᴇ ᴛᴏ ᴘʀᴇᴠᴇɴᴛ ʜᴇʀ ғʀᴏᴍ ᴅᴇsᴛʀᴏʏɪɴɢ ᴀʟʟ ᴏғ Rᴏsʜᴀʀ. Tʜᴇ sɪᴅᴇ ᴇғғᴇᴄᴛ ᴏғ ᴛʜᴀᴛ ᴇᴠᴇɴᴛ ᴄʀᴇᴀᴛᴇᴅ ᴛʜᴇ ᴘᴀʀsʜᴍᴇɴ. And second are the peculiar bits about the Stormfather's presentation to Gavilar, unlike how it manifested to Dalinar, that make me think there's something else going on, that perhaps a piece of Tanavast is hiding inside the Stormfather and manifesting himself on occasion. Note how the Stormfather sometimes acts human (Tanavast), sometimes inhuman (real Stormfather). And the way it says "I have decided," which is a task that Honor set the Stormfather upon. And the eyeless infinity, reminding me of other times people have come face-to-face with actual, full Shards. Oh, and the connection to the Oathpact. It was between Honor and the Heralds; the Stormfather had no place in it. Honor himself would feel the pain of a Herald death, not the Stormfather. Lots of little circumstantial things, but I think they're all pointing towards Honor, the Shard, being around a little more than we'd thought. Quote As he sometimes did, the Stormfather formed a rippling in the air beside Gavilar, vaguely in the shape of a person, but indistinct. Without color or really form, like the wavering in the air made by a great heat on the stones. ... The Stormfather didn't reply. Gavilar wasn't certain if the spren could be said to have human mannerisms. Sometimes, it seemed so; and others, it seemed completely unfathomable. Today, though, that posture turned away, hinted at the warping of the air, that silence... "Do you regret," Gavilar asked again, "choosing me?" I ʀᴇɢʀᴇᴛ, the Stormfather said, ᴛʜᴇ ᴡᴀʏ I ʜᴀᴠᴇ ᴛʀᴇᴀᴛᴇᴅ ʏᴏᴜ. I sʜᴏᴜʟᴅ ɴᴏᴛ ʜᴀᴠᴇ ʙᴇᴇɴ sᴏ ᴀᴄᴄᴏᴍᴍᴏᴅᴀᴛɪɴɢ. Iᴛ ʜᴀs ᴍᴀᴅᴇ ʏᴏᴜ ʟᴀᴢʏ. "This is lazy?" Gavilar said, forcing himself to sound amused and not reveal his annoyance. "I've made grand plans." Yᴏᴜ ᴅᴏ ɴᴏᴛ ᴄᴏɴsɪᴅᴇʀ ᴡɪᴛʜ ʀᴇᴠᴇʀᴇɴᴄᴇ ᴛʜᴇ ᴘᴏsɪᴛɪᴏɴ ʏᴏᴜ sᴇᴇᴋ, the Stormfather said. I ғᴇᴇʟ ʏᴏᴜ ᴀʀᴇ ɴᴏᴛ ᴛʜᴇ ᴏɴᴇ I ɴᴇᴇᴅ. Tʜᴀᴛ I ʜᴀᴠᴇ ᴅᴇᴄɪᴅᴇᴅ ᴛᴏ ғɪɴᴅ. "You said you were charged with this task," Gavilar said, "by Honor. Finding someone to show the visions to prevent calamity. You didn't decide anything; you were instructed to do all of this." Tʜᴀᴛ ɪs ᴛʀᴜᴇ. I ᴅᴏ ɴᴏᴛ sᴘᴇᴀᴋ ɪɴ ʜᴜᴍᴀɴ ᴡᴀʏs. Bᴜᴛ sᴛɪʟʟ, ᴏɴᴄᴇ ʏᴏᴜ ᴀʀᴇ ᴀ Hᴇʀᴀʟᴅ, ʏᴏᴜ ᴡɪʟʟ ɴᴇᴇᴅ ᴛᴏ ʟᴇᴀᴠᴇ ᴇᴠᴇʀʏᴛʜɪɴɢ ʏᴏᴜ ᴋɴᴏᴡ. Yᴏᴜ ᴡɪʟʟ ʙᴇ ɢɪᴠᴇɴ ᴜᴘ ᴛᴏ ᴛᴏʀᴛᴜʀᴇ ʙᴇᴛᴡᴇᴇɴ Rᴇᴛᴜʀɴs. Wʜʏ ɪs ɪᴛ ᴛʜɪs ᴅᴏᴇsɴ'ᴛ ʙᴏᴛʜᴇʀ ʏᴏᴜ? ... Suddenly, the Stormfather wavered. Lightning pulsed through his shimmering form, lighting Gavilar's room with an electric glow, blue frost on his rugs, pure light reflecting in the glass of the balcony doors. Then, the Stormfather cried out, a sound like a peal of thunder. But agonized. "What," Gavilar said, backing up. "What happened?" A... ᴀ Hᴇʀᴀʟᴅ ʜᴀs ᴅɪᴇᴅ. Nᴏ, I'ᴍ ɴᴏᴛ ʀᴇᴀᴅʏ. Tʜᴇ Oᴀᴛʜᴘᴀᴄᴛ... Nᴏ! Tʜᴇʏ ᴍᴜsᴛɴ'ᴛ sᴇᴇ! Tʜᴇʏ ᴍᴜsᴛɴ'ᴛ ᴋɴᴏᴡ! "Died?" Gavilar said. "Died? You said they were already dead! You said they were in Damnation, being tortured." The Stormfather rippled, then a face emerged in the shimmering. Two eyes like holes in a storm, clouds spiraling around them and leading into the depths. "You lied," Gavilar said. "You lied?" Oʜ, Gᴀᴠɪʟᴀʀ. Tʜᴇʀᴇ ɪs sᴏ ᴍᴜᴄʜ ʏᴏᴜ ᴅᴏ ɴᴏᴛ ᴋɴᴏᴡ. Sᴏ ᴍᴜᴄʜ ʏᴏᴜ ᴀssᴜᴍᴇ. Aɴᴅ ᴛʜᴇ ᴛᴡᴏ ɴᴇᴠᴇʀ ᴅᴏ ᴍᴀɴᴀɢᴇ ᴛᴏ ᴍᴇᴇᴛ. Lɪᴋᴇ ᴘᴀᴛʜs ᴛᴏ ᴏᴘᴘᴏsɪɴɢ ᴄɪᴛɪᴇs. Those eyes seemed to pull Gavilar forward, to overwhelm him, to consume him. He'd never seen anything like this before. He... he saw storms. Endless storms, and a world so frail, a tiny speck of blue, and against an infinite canvas of black. ... "What are you," Gavilar whispered, hoarse. Tʜᴇ ʙɪɢɢᴇsᴛ ғᴏᴏʟ ᴏғ ᴛʜᴇᴍ ᴀʟʟ, the Stormfather said, ᴀɴᴅ ᴛʜᴇ ᴛʜɪɴɢ ᴛʜᴀᴛ ʜᴀs ᴍɪsᴄᴀʟᴄᴜʟᴀᴛᴇᴅ. Gᴏᴏᴅʙʏᴇ, Gᴀᴠɪʟᴀʀ. I ʜᴀᴠᴇ sᴇᴇɴ ᴀ ɢʟɪᴍᴘsᴇ ᴏғ ᴡʜᴀᴛ ɪs ᴄᴏᴍɪɴɢ, ᴀɴᴅ I ᴡɪʟʟ ɴᴏᴛ ᴘʀᴇᴠᴇɴᴛ ɪᴛ. 17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NameIess Posted March 31, 2022 Report Share Posted March 31, 2022 1 minute ago, Frustration said: Was Gavilar a Bondsmith? He had at minimum a faint connection to the Stormfather. Meaning he had an even fainter connection to Ishar. Which could have been amplified, if Ishar had his Honorblade, which I'm not entirely sure he does. The timeline doesn't really match up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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