Berlyn he/him Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 I am not sure if I missed this part as I binged the entire book over 2 days, but was it ever explained how the Bands of Mourning were drained? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frustration he/him Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 Nope, unfortunately not. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berlyn he/him Posted November 23, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, Frustration said: Nope, unfortunately not. Thanks for the quick reply! Well, bummer, I guess we all have to wait and hopefully find out in future Cosmere novels. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brgst13 Posted November 24, 2022 Report Share Posted November 24, 2022 (edited) Crazy theory (SP4 and SA5 spoilers): Spoiler Sigzil drew put their Investiture when he took up the Dawnshard and used it to do wtf ever happened on Roshar during SA5. The discovery of this will serve as the genesis of the Roshar-Scadrial conflict. Edited November 24, 2022 by Brgst13 Added spoiled series 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frustration he/him Posted November 24, 2022 Report Share Posted November 24, 2022 1 hour ago, Brgst13 said: Crazy theory: Reveal hidden contents Sigzil drew put their Investiture when he took up the Dawnshard and used it to do wtf ever happened on Roshar during SA5. The discovery of this will serve as the genesis of the Roshar-Scadrial conflict. You have to mention what series is being spoiled. Abd that wouldn't work SA 5 takes place before AoL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brgst13 Posted November 24, 2022 Report Share Posted November 24, 2022 Fixed. And good point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zanarkand Posted November 25, 2022 Report Share Posted November 25, 2022 This idea might be a bit thin, but where did the investiture come from to open the perpendicularity which Autonomy's army was planning to use? Could it have come from the Bands? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isilel Posted November 25, 2022 Report Share Posted November 25, 2022 I very much doubt that they were actually drained, i.e. turned into a useless lump of metal. Introducing such an artefact just to destroy it with so little pay-off seems like a complete waste and frankly bad writing. IMHO, they were either replaced with a fake because somebody figured out where Tensoon, who is a creature of habit, has hidden them, or some kind of supressor, like those seen in RoW, was employed to make it seem that they were drained. Personally, I think that it was a tragically mis-timed heist of Kelsier's. He had been in the south immediately prior to Daal's arrival in Elendel and might have been the force behind southern unification. If he built that temple and spread rumors about the Bands both in the Basin and in the south in order to provoke contact between the 2 civilizations, to spur on technological progress and to jump-start magi-tech development in the north, as seems likely, he must have been rather disappointed by kandra swooping in and confiscating them. So, since he had completely misjudged the timing that Set was operating under, he hatched a plot to get them back. Daal and maybe Adathwyn are likely associated with the Ghostbloods in some way, though not full members, and were acting on his instructions. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King-A-Train Posted November 25, 2022 Report Share Posted November 25, 2022 3 hours ago, Isilel said: I very much doubt that they were actually drained, i.e. turned into a useless lump of metal. Introducing such an artefact just to destroy it with so little pay-off seems like a complete waste and frankly bad writing. IMHO, they were either replaced with a fake because somebody figured out where Tensoon, who is a creature of habit, has hidden them, or some kind of supressor, like those seen in RoW, was employed to make it seem that they were drained. Agreed, Steris believes that Daal was in some way expecting them to be drained. Whether that’s because he has ghost blood connections or as a southern Scadrian has some knowledge (possibly just part of a story or rumour). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teknopathetic he/him Posted November 25, 2022 Report Share Posted November 25, 2022 (edited) I wonder if maybe the Kandra had actually been using them for something and had dtrained them entirely. That would be an interesting twist. Edited November 30, 2022 by teknopathetic 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duladen he/him Posted November 27, 2022 Report Share Posted November 27, 2022 Discovering them drained fuels the conflict between the north and south. Stoking the Cold War could lead to great leaps forward militarily and technologically for Scadrial. Perhaps Harmony is gambling - told his Kandra to drain the bands to hopefully force Scadrial into arming against Autonomy’s attack. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ati16 he/him Posted November 27, 2022 Report Share Posted November 27, 2022 This idea might be a little far fetched, but could Daal be spiked to make him a leecher. He could not drain the bands but he might be able to block the person using them. The sovereign might have also given the southern scadrians knowledge of hemalurgy that only the Malwish upper class know about. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BinarySecond Posted November 30, 2022 Report Share Posted November 30, 2022 On 11/27/2022 at 8:46 AM, Ati16 said: This idea might be a little far fetched, but could Daal be spiked to make him a leecher. He could not drain the bands but he might be able to block the person using them. The sovereign might have also given the southern scadrians knowledge of hemalurgy that only the Malwish upper class know about. I'm wondering if they have someone spiked with Brass and Duralumin and have been controlling Kandra while Harmony is blind. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okishok Posted November 30, 2022 Report Share Posted November 30, 2022 My off the wall prediction is that Daal is an Aluminum Misting and had a grenade (or more likely some new device) that was charged with Allomantic Aluminum. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormingTexan he/him Posted November 30, 2022 Report Share Posted November 30, 2022 I think the one we see onscreen is a fake. Kelsier had them swapped and he just happens to have one of the best forgers alive on staff. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ati16 he/him Posted November 30, 2022 Report Share Posted November 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Okishok said: My off the wall prediction is that Daal is an Aluminum Misting and had a grenade (or more likely some new device) that was charged with Allomantic Aluminum. Daal can't be an allomancer unless he is spiked or by some miracle has noble ancestry. The Aluminum primer cube idea is good, but would probably work the same without the cube if Daal would be a leecher. Here is my theory: Daal was involved in a plot to steal the Bands of Mourning, but that plot wouldn't have been by the Malwish. The Ghostbloods could have scammed Daal to think he was taking the Bands to the Malwish, but was actually giving them to the Ghostbloods, because Kelsier wouldn't want the Bands in circulation. Adawathwyn could have been a Ghostblood and a ferring with the ability to manipulate connection and with that ability could control TenSoon. Daal wouldn't know that Adawathwyn was in on the plan and would just think that TenSoon was eager to save Elendel. Daal could be spiked into making him a leecher and would block anyone who tried the Bands. When Daal leaves he would give the Bands to his "Superiors" who are actually the Ghostbloods in disguise, who give the Bands to Kelsier. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teknopathetic he/him Posted November 30, 2022 Report Share Posted November 30, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, StormingTexan said: I think the one we see onscreen is a fake. Kelsier had them swapped and he just happens to have one of the best forgers alive on staff. OOOOOOOH. Moonlight and Hoid rematch to steal the bands! Edited November 30, 2022 by teknopathetic 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JStormD Posted November 1, 2023 Report Share Posted November 1, 2023 Brandon has said that Hoid is happiest "when getting away with something" and stated this was during the Bands of Mourning. Could he possibly have drained the bands 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trusk'our he/him Posted November 2, 2023 Report Share Posted November 2, 2023 5 hours ago, JStormD said: Brandon has said that Hoid is happiest "when getting away with something" and stated this was during the Bands of Mourning. Could he possibly have drained the bands Welcome to the Shard! You know, I hadn't really considered the possibility of Hoid so directly interfering with the Bands in that way, but I could certainly see it happening; Kelsier would almost certainly have wanted the Bands (as he is so desperate to see a growth of the Metallic Arts in society), and we know that Hoid loves to meddle with such things and to mess up Kel's plans and his Fortune could have warned him of the Bands causing problems in the future. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alder24 Posted November 2, 2023 Report Share Posted November 2, 2023 15 hours ago, JStormD said: Brandon has said that Hoid is happiest "when getting away with something" and stated this was during the Bands of Mourning. Could he possibly have drained the bands Interesting but I find this unlikely. I think this was about Hoid giving Kelsier's copper medallion to Wax, as Kel didn't want this information to get out. Hoid getting one of them and giving it to Wax, without getting caught, fits this WoB. Moreover draining the Bands didn't happen during the events of BoM - the Bands were given to Kandra and the book ended almost at the same moment, there was not enough time for Hoid to somehow drain the Bands within the timeline of the book (not to mention that he was at New Seran and even he might have troubles to get to Elendel on time). Spoiler Viridian Why did Hoid give the memory coin to Wax? What was his intention? Brandon Sanderson He thought that certain information was being kept, and certain lies were being perpetuated. And Hoid was a fan of that information being out. Viridian I'm still suspicious. Brandon Sanderson Oh, you should be suspicious of Hoid's motive. He and Kelsier do not get along. Let's just say... Kelsier did not want that information to get out. Arcanum Unbounded release party (Nov. 22, 2016) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stigmadiabolicum Posted January 17 Report Share Posted January 17 In BoM Wax says "The Bands are drained, mostly, but we could probably recharge them by compounding" So they were already at like 5%, he mainly used steel and a blend of the other physical traits but never really used soothing or the other emotional ones, or a few F powers. What's weird is they shouldn't be able to "drain", the unkeyed F powers you'd just start a new recharge cycle, store some health/speed/weight, swallow that metalminds and burn it, flare it and so on. They're not single use haha. But in that intense moment they weren't thinking, and the admiral/Kelsier were definitely making a play there. Honestly for years now I've just been itching to finally get the full scoop on the south, I know them, Kel and the tech was basically seeds planted for era 3 but waiting til era 3 sucks haha, I want secret history 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alder24 Posted January 17 Report Share Posted January 17 6 hours ago, Stigmadiabolicum said: In BoM Wax says "The Bands are drained, mostly, but we could probably recharge them by compounding" So they were already at like 5%, he mainly used steel and a blend of the other physical traits but never really used soothing or the other emotional ones, or a few F powers. Yeah, he didn't use most of the Bands powers, there are 32 of them, they should still be functional in TLM. 6 hours ago, Stigmadiabolicum said: What's weird is they shouldn't be able to "drain", the unkeyed F powers you'd just start a new recharge cycle, store some health/speed/weight, swallow that metalminds and burn it, flare it and so on. They're not single use haha. They seem to not work like medallions. The nicrosil part of metallions work like a coppermind, but there are no medallions with Allomantic powers. It seems to me that normal Feruchemical nicrosil works like any other metalmind - you store your Allomancy for an hour, you can tap it for an hour and be twice as strong. So the Bands have 16 metalminds and those powers might work like medallions - off and on switch - but all Allomantic powers stored in the nicrosilmind are on a timer, like in normal Feruchemy, just how ironminds work. You can recharge that nicrosilmind with compounding, but if the power of A-steel (for example) is completely used up, you need to give it to a Coinshot, so they can store their power in them for some time. So they were drained not only of all Allomantic powers stored in the nicrosilmind, but also of every other Feruchemical attribute stored in any other metalminds. The Bands probably still make you a Feruchemist, but they are empty, they have no use unless you recharge them. Spoiler Pagerunner When you tap the nicrosil portion of a medallion, will it run out over time? Or is it like a coppermind, where something discrete is taken, used, and returned? Brandon Sanderson Good question! Like a coppermind. General Signed Books 2018 (Oct. 15, 2018) 6 hours ago, Stigmadiabolicum said: Honestly for years now I've just been itching to finally get the full scoop on the south, I know them, Kel and the tech was basically seeds planted for era 3 but waiting til era 3 sucks haha, I want secret history 2 Brandon currently has no plans to write SH2 in the nearest 6-8 years. He will write the full Era 3 during that time. Just 8 more years and we will start getting some answers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
listerfeend Posted January 17 Report Share Posted January 17 6 hours ago, alder24 said: Brandon currently has no plans to write SH2 in the nearest 6-8 years. He will write the full Era 3 during that time. Just 8 more years and we will start getting some answers. this...murders my happiness in ways that I don't know how to cope with 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyToaster Posted April 13 Report Share Posted April 13 On 1/17/2024 at 2:22 PM, listerfeend said: this...murders my happiness in ways that I don't know how to cope with If memory serves, the last secret histories was written as Sanderson realized he needed to expand on specific elements between Era 2 books. So that book wouldn't have been on the plan then either. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
listerfeend Posted April 15 Report Share Posted April 15 On 4/12/2024 at 11:52 PM, RustyToaster said: If memory serves, the last secret histories was written as Sanderson realized he needed to expand on specific elements between Era 2 books. So that book wouldn't have been on the plan then either. This Awakens my happiness slightly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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