Munazir Posted May 3, 2023 Report Share Posted May 3, 2023 No spoilers for WoA and HoA Do those Mistings have to guesstimate what emotions a person is feeling and how do they know what specific emotion to effect without being able to read minds 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treamayne Posted May 3, 2023 Report Share Posted May 3, 2023 1 minute ago, Munazir said: No spoilers for WoA and HoA Do those Mistings have to guesstimate what emotions a person is feeling and how do they know what specific emotion to effect without being able to read minds Short answer - yes. If you have read the first book of the first series (Mistborn: The Final Empire - a.k.a. TFE) the best explanation comes from Breeze in Ch 10: Spoiler Breeze added, “as I mentioned, a good Soother must be skilled far beyond his ability to use Allomancy. Allomancy can’t let you read minds or even emotions—in a way, you’re as blind as anyone else. You fire off pulses of emotions, targeted at a single person or in an area, and your subjects will have their emotions altered—hopefully producing the effect that you wished. However, great Soothers are those who can successfully use their eyes and instincts to know how a person is feeling before they get Soothed.” . . . “This is the lesson you must learn, my dear. If you can’t read how someone is feeling, then you’ll never have a subtle touch with emotional Allomancy. Push someone too hard, and even the most blind of skaa will realize that they’re being manipulated somehow. Touch too softly, and you won’t produce a noticeable effect—other, more powerful emotions will still rule your subject.” Breeze shook his head. “It’s all about understanding people,” he continued. “You have to read how someone is feeling, change that feeling by nudging it in the proper direction, then channel their newfound emotional state to your advantage. That, my dear, is the challenge in what we do! It is difficult, but for those who can do it well…” . . . Breeze sipped his drink. “Soothing and Rioting aren’t like other kinds of Allomancy,” he said quietly. “With most metals, Pushing and Pulling have opposite effects. With emotions, however, you can often produce the same result regardless of whether you Soothe or Riot. “This doesn’t hold for extreme emotional states—complete emotionlessness or utter passion. However, in most cases, it doesn’t matter which power you use. People are not like solid bricks of metal—at any given time, they will have a dozen different emotions churning within them. An experienced Soother can dampen everything but the emotion he wants to remain dominant.” . . . Vin continued to watch. Now that Kelsier had gone, she found it easier to focus on the crowd’s reactions, and on Breeze’s work. As Yeden spoke, the workers outside seemed to react exactly according to Breeze’s mumbled instructions. Yeden, too, showed effects of the Soothing: He grew more comfortable, his voice more confident, as he spoke. Curious, Vin let her copper drop again. She concentrated, seeing if she could sense Breeze’s touch on her emotions; she would be included in his general Allomantic projections. He didn’t have time to pick and choose individuals, except maybe Yeden. It was very, very difficult to sense. Yet, as Breeze sat mumbling to himself, she began to feel the exact emotions he described. Vin couldn’t help but be impressed. Though you will get more insight as the trilogy progresses. Hope that helps. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munazir Posted May 3, 2023 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2023 3 hours ago, Treamayne said: Short answer - yes. If you have read the first book of the first series (Mistborn: The Final Empire - a.k.a. TFE) the best explanation comes from Breeze in Ch 10: Hide contents Breeze added, “as I mentioned, a good Soother must be skilled far beyond his ability to use Allomancy. Allomancy can’t let you read minds or even emotions—in a way, you’re as blind as anyone else. You fire off pulses of emotions, targeted at a single person or in an area, and your subjects will have their emotions altered—hopefully producing the effect that you wished. However, great Soothers are those who can successfully use their eyes and instincts to know how a person is feeling before they get Soothed.” . . . “This is the lesson you must learn, my dear. If you can’t read how someone is feeling, then you’ll never have a subtle touch with emotional Allomancy. Push someone too hard, and even the most blind of skaa will realize that they’re being manipulated somehow. Touch too softly, and you won’t produce a noticeable effect—other, more powerful emotions will still rule your subject.” Breeze shook his head. “It’s all about understanding people,” he continued. “You have to read how someone is feeling, change that feeling by nudging it in the proper direction, then channel their newfound emotional state to your advantage. That, my dear, is the challenge in what we do! It is difficult, but for those who can do it well…” . . . Breeze sipped his drink. “Soothing and Rioting aren’t like other kinds of Allomancy,” he said quietly. “With most metals, Pushing and Pulling have opposite effects. With emotions, however, you can often produce the same result regardless of whether you Soothe or Riot. “This doesn’t hold for extreme emotional states—complete emotionlessness or utter passion. However, in most cases, it doesn’t matter which power you use. People are not like solid bricks of metal—at any given time, they will have a dozen different emotions churning within them. An experienced Soother can dampen everything but the emotion he wants to remain dominant.” . . . Vin continued to watch. Now that Kelsier had gone, she found it easier to focus on the crowd’s reactions, and on Breeze’s work. As Yeden spoke, the workers outside seemed to react exactly according to Breeze’s mumbled instructions. Yeden, too, showed effects of the Soothing: He grew more comfortable, his voice more confident, as he spoke. Curious, Vin let her copper drop again. She concentrated, seeing if she could sense Breeze’s touch on her emotions; she would be included in his general Allomantic projections. He didn’t have time to pick and choose individuals, except maybe Yeden. It was very, very difficult to sense. Yet, as Breeze sat mumbling to himself, she began to feel the exact emotions he described. Vin couldn’t help but be impressed. Though you will get more insight as the trilogy progresses. Hope that helps. So they kinda just guess what another person is feeling from the way the subject is reacting/ what they would expect the subject to do. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treamayne Posted May 4, 2023 Report Share Posted May 4, 2023 1 hour ago, Munazir said: So they kinda just guess what another person is feeling from the way the subject is reacting/ what they would expect the subject to do. It's a skill called Cold Reading (wiki article) that now-a-days uses all kinds of modern psychology terms like "micro-expressions;" but has been used by people for centuries or millennia. If you watch the Leverage Episode season 2 episode 13 "The Future Job," Hutton's character Nate does a great job of explaining how it works when reviewing a video of Parker (Beth Riesgraf's character). Which is also why Breeze said it takes considerable practice and skill beyond the Allomancy itself. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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