kaellok he/him Posted August 16, 2014 Report Share Posted August 16, 2014 (edited) Title says it all. I was reading Shaggai's interesting Statistical RAFOgraphy thread, and in his latest post reminded me of the WoB: "Has Hoid ever been to Braize?" where Brandon replied with "Perhaps the biggest RAFO!" That got me thinking...why would that be the biggest RAFO? An Adonalsium-related event seemed the most likely to me, and the Splintering of Adonalsium is about the biggest Adonalsium-related even there is. I freely admit that it seems a bit of a stretch. (I mean, there's WoB that the worlds in the Roshar system are related to the mythology on Roshar; that Honor, Cultivation, and the humans arrived before Odium; and that the dragon Hoid talks to says that it is a part of Adonalsium's plan.) But, disregarding all of that, I'm still curious--do we know where the single most important event in the Cosmere took place? Edit: Finally got around to editing the title to be correct. Edited August 29, 2014 by kaellok 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyPilgrim he/him Posted August 16, 2014 Report Share Posted August 16, 2014 My brain says that Adonalsium was splintered on Yolen, explaining why all (?) the original Shardholders were Yolish, but it's entirely possible I made that up somewhere along the line... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaellok he/him Posted August 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2014 My brain says that Adonalsium was splintered on Yolen, explaining why all (?) the original Shardholders were Yolish, but it's entirely possible I made that up somewhere along the line... Good point! But I think that's still just a theory (the one that best fits everything that we know, sure, but I haven't been able to find something for sure one way or the other). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Hoodie Mistborn he/him Posted August 16, 2014 Report Share Posted August 16, 2014 I'll wait for Weiry's fine research and archival knowledge to kick in, but I'm pretty sure Yolen is presumed due to all original holders being Yolish, not confirmed 100% though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodfalcon he/him Posted August 16, 2014 Report Share Posted August 16, 2014 (edited) Yolen. I'll try to find a quote. I know I have it.EDIT: Wow, I'm wrong. I don't have it. All I know is that Adonalsium is whole in Dragonsteel (and confirmed doesn't get shattered in the book), and that book takes place on Yolen. The odd part is that over the years things have changed a bit, and Brandon has taken things from Dragonsteel and used them in other books. He took the Shattered Plains from Yolen and put them on Roshar. It has been theorized that The Shattered Plains are the land where Adonalsium was Shattered, causing their structure, but I think WoR kind of disproved that. So now I'm left not knowing fully, but Yolen was the first appearance of humans in the Cosmere, and it kind of seems like the rest of the planets weren't inhabited fully until the Shards split up and settled on planets (or didn't settle on planets). I guess I still lean toward Yolen pretty hard, but I don't have the quote I thought I remember having. EDIT2: Oh also Chaos once asked how many Shards had ever been on Roshar, and Brandon answered "three," so that's a pretty good sign that Adonalsium wasn't shattered on Roshar. Edited August 16, 2014 by Bloodfalcon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turos he/him Posted August 16, 2014 Report Share Posted August 16, 2014 (edited) Off topic, but I am confused how humans got to so many worlds when space travel doesn't appear to have existed, at least no evidence. Splintered planet became planets? Weird, but so is humans everywhere. EDIT: This is when I just finished reading what I posted and remembered shadesmar... ya, travel, heh... Heh. Still a lot of people to move about in said fashion. Edited August 16, 2014 by Turos Stoneward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curiosity he/him Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 Slightly surprised that no one has mentioned this thread, since it postulates (sort of) that Yolen is... Wait for it... Braize! Dun dun dun... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Hoodie Mistborn he/him Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 Off topic, but I am confused how humans got to so many worlds when space travel doesn't appear to have existed, at least no evidence. Splintered planet became planets? Weird, but so is humans everywhere. EDIT: This is when I just finished reading what I posted and remembered shadesmar... ya, travel, heh... Heh. Still a lot of people to move about in said fashion. There is the fact that many of the worlds were populated with humans created by their resident shards (Scadrial for sure), probably Roshar and Sel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haradion Drogon Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 I am of the opinion now, that much of Yolen was destroyed during the Shattering - possibly by Odium or Ruin... And all that remains has been named Briaze. It would explain why Roshar is at the heart of a lot of Cosmere wide conflict... We also know there are Splinter's of Adonalsium on Roshar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaellok he/him Posted August 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 EDIT2: Oh also Chaos once asked how many Shards had ever been on Roshar, and Brandon answered "three," so that's a pretty good sign that Adonalsium wasn't shattered on Roshar. I continue to agree that Yolen is the most logical place; I'm intentionally looking at possibilities for a "twist." However, Adonalsium absolutely has been to Roshar. Q: So is that like the mists and the Well? Are they...A: They are not, because they have not attained self-awareness. But, the Seons are self-aware. So, any piece. For instance there were some spren on Roshar before Honor and Cultivation got there. Those were already splinters of Adonalsium where he had left power which attained sentience on its own. So, it can be intentional is what I am saying, does that make sense? You have seen other Splinters And while he was there, he Splintered himself a little. Braize seems to have special characteristics for Heralds (all that torture and such), so it seems likely that something happened there to make it that way. Maybe this is because Odium has resided there for so long that he has twisted and warped the fabric with the force of his Hatred; maybe it's because the Shattering of the focus point for all creation and magic in the universe was broken there. To develop this theory I think I'll need to look into places where Shards were deliberately Splintered and the effects it causes on their planets--and then somehow form a comparison to what may or may not be happening on Braize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightsworn Panda he/him Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 I know that the Shattered Plains wasn't broken for the following reason, but a random thought just popped into my head: Adnalsium was on Roshar when it Shattered! That's why the Shattered Plains is Shattered! It's where Adonalsium was splintered! Nailed it on the head, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soulcastJam he/him Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 EDIT2: Oh also Chaos once asked how many Shards had ever been on Roshar, and Brandon answered "three," so that's a pretty good sign that Adonalsium wasn't shattered on Roshar. However, Adonalsium absolutely has been to Roshar. ...maybe it's because the Shattering of the focus point for all creation and magic in the universe was broken there. To develop this theory I think I'll need to look into places where Shards were deliberately Splintered and the effects it causes on their planets--and then somehow form a comparison to what may or may not be happening on Braize. Adonalsium being on Roshar doesn't count as a fourth shard because he isn't a shard. However, if he had shattered there then there would have been more than 3 shards on Roshar. Ergo, he did not shatter on Roshar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodfalcon he/him Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 Adonalsium being on Roshar doesn't count as a fourth shard because he isn't a shard. However, if he had shattered there then there would have been more than 3 shards on Roshar. Ergo, he did not shatter on Roshar. Think about what it means though. If Adonalsium is on Roshar and is Shattered there, there are 16 Shards on the planet. Then some of them leave. The phrasing of the quote seems pretty clear, but I wouldn't have brought it up if I didn't think it was a possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaellok he/him Posted August 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 Adonalsium being on Roshar doesn't count as a fourth shard because he isn't a shard. However, if he had shattered there then there would have been more than 3 shards on Roshar. Ergo, he did not shatter on Roshar. You're right, I mis-read that at first. However,my thinking is still focused on whether he was shattered on Braize, to serve as a possible explanation as to why whether Hoid has been there or not is "possibility the biggest RAFO." That's why I was curious whether it had actually been said or stated anywhere where Adonalsium was shattered, or if we only had (very, very logical) assumptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jefftucker0525 Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 Adolnasium could have Shattered on roshar, say it Shatters and all of the Shards fly off at high speeds far away. That way none or few of them were ever actually there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soulcastJam he/him Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 Adolnasium could have Shattered on roshar, say it Shatters and all of the Shards fly off at high speeds far away. That way none or few of them were ever actually there. I guess we don't know enough about the shattering to say that couldn't happen, but I always just imagined it being similar to a transfer of power like we've seen. Maybe the force of the shattering happened in multiple realms and caused the shards to end up in different places in all three realms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodfalcon he/him Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 Adolnasium could have Shattered on roshar, say it Shatters and all of the Shards fly off at high speeds far away. That way none or few of them were ever actually there. Yeah that doesn't really make sense though. The question wasn't "How many Shards have ever taken extended vacations on Roshar?" They were all on Roshar. But if you wanna keep it open to all possibilities, I suppose Brandon could have been really shifty in his answer. I personally hope that is the case, because I love Roshar and the more significant it is, the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSilverDragon he/him Posted August 28, 2014 Report Share Posted August 28, 2014 What if Adolnasium shattered on one world causing the planet to break up so now the point were he shattered is now non existent, except if you count the middle of space a valid address. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaellok he/him Posted August 29, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 What if Adolnasium shattered on one world causing the planet to break up so now the point were he shattered is now non existent, except if you count the middle of space a valid address. This is a possibility, but one that would have necessary difficulties to overcome that other theories don't. Things like, How did everyone survive, including Hoid? Planetary destruction is a pretty massive release of energy, on top of whatever caused the Adonalsium Shattering event that occurred. Based on what we know currently (so close to nothing as to be indistinguishable from it) my guess is that even were this the case, Braize was this planet. The planet seems to act in ways contrary to every other planet, and has some really weird, wobbly stuff regarding some of the WoB implications (which is easily just Brandon trolling us hard). I just feel that Adonalsium Shattering would go a long way to explaining this, and haven't seen any actual evidence to the contrary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jefftucker0525 Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 Maybe Adonalsium shattered on Braize, however Braize and Roshar are somehow connected. The shattereing effected Roshar in the Physical realm (i.e. the Shattered Plains) but effected Braize in the Cognitive and Spiritual. im sure there are alot of holes in this, but that would be kind of cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left he/him Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 Can I just say that the problem with a mega planet that got shattered is Gravity. If have a huge original planet than humans as they exist today cannot live on it, the gravity is too strong. You could supplement it with magic, but why? I think that wherever big A was was very similar to Scadrial/Earth because of humans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windrunner he/him Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 I'm very certain that there is no relationship between the Shattered Plains and Adonalsium's Shattering. We know now when the Plains were broken, it occurred during the Final Desolation. Honor and Odium were both separate beings by then, so the Shattering of Adonalsium must have occurred long before anything happened to Stormseat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jefftucker0525 Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 When did we find out that the Shattered Plains were Shattered during the Final Desolation? Do you have a quote for that because i dont remember anything saying that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Hoodie Mistborn he/him Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 It's an in-world quote from WoR (I believe), when Shallan is doing research on Urithiru. So there is leeway there for it to not be the case. Regardless, it happened after the Shattering of Adolnasium because it was a Silver kingdom which existed post-"Final desolation", and the Desolations are Odium's forces vs. Honor's/Cultivation's therefore must be post Shattering. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khyrindor he/him Posted August 31, 2014 Report Share Posted August 31, 2014 All of this assumes that Shards need to travel physically. But do they even affect the Physical Realm? Does it affect them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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