Morderkaine he/him Posted October 11, 2010 Report Share Posted October 11, 2010 Are you certain of this? When I read the prologue, I notice how Szeth says he lashes the soldier to the roof, himself to the far wall, the cut stone to the door, etc. He always specifies something to anchor his lashings to. In the part 2 interludes (p. 448, U.S. hardcover) Szeth cuts out a section of a roof and then lashes it "towards the northwest section of the sky". This could be the location of a moon or, as the wording implies, he may have lashed it in a general direction instead of to a specific object. He also mentions lashing himself in specific directions at times as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silus - Shard of Flame he/him Posted October 11, 2010 Report Share Posted October 11, 2010 What would happen if you Lashed an object to another object and then it missed? Would it come back around towards it from another direction? Could you cause something to orbit something else in such a way? I'm kinda thinking in terms of Super Mario Galaxy when it comes to gravity here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan he/him Posted October 11, 2010 Report Share Posted October 11, 2010 That depends on if my point attractor theory is right, or if Lashing simply changes the strength and direction of gravity. If the former, I imagine you could get an orbit going, though not inside the planet's atmosphere because the speeds required to orbit in 1G are too fast. If the latter, the object would keep flying until it either struck something, or the Stormlight ran out. In Szeth's second mass killing spree, the soldiers he lashed upward didn't stay up for very long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano Stormblessed he/him Posted October 11, 2010 Report Share Posted October 11, 2010 I would say with just one lashing you would run out of stormlight way before you got into orbit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silus - Shard of Flame he/him Posted October 11, 2010 Report Share Posted October 11, 2010 I would say with just one lashing you would run out of stormlight way before you got into orbit No, I mean having an object orbit around another object. That depends on if my point attractor theory is right, or if Lashing simply changes the strength and direction of gravity. If the former, I imagine you could get an orbit going, though not inside the planet's atmosphere because the speeds required to orbit in 1G are too fast. If the latter, the object would keep flying until it either struck something, or the Stormlight ran out. In Szeth's second mass killing spree, the soldiers he lashed upward didn't stay up for very long. Well, I imagine you could do both, Lash an object to another object, a specific point or just a direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew the Great he/him Posted October 11, 2010 Report Share Posted October 11, 2010 But what Ryan is saying is that he's not sure whether Lashing an object to another object entails creating an attraction to the second object, or changing to force of gravity to act in that direction. If it's the first, when the first object passes the second, it would be pulled back. If the second, it would keep going, as the force would still be acting in the same direction, even though the object it was originally lashed to is now behind it. At least I think that's what he's saying.... And I'd say it's more likely that it's a point attraction, not changing the direction of gravity. But that's totally personal opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan he/him Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 That's mostly what I'm saying. Except, I don't think "lashing an object to another object" is a wholly accurate description of what's going on, since an actual physical anchor does not appear to be required for the process to work. It's just that Szeth seems to think of things that way most of the time, since it's an intuitive way to look at it (and, in honesty, the simplest way to describe the action). We've not seen anything in the behavior of Lashings that lets us distinguish between the point attractor and altered direction theories. The only thing that lends greater weight, at least in my mind, to the point attractor is the fact that Szeth always Lashes to a point, not a direction. But again, it could just be a matter of him using points as a mental focus, and not that that is how the magic actually operates. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew the Great he/him Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 Yeah, that was my thinking too. And I get that Lashing to another object is not necessarily the case. It was just the easiest way to explain it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano Stormblessed he/him Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 I think it would be cool if you could anchor a lashing to an object. That way if you move, the object will still be pulled towards you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew the Great he/him Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 Well, technically you could. You'd just have to lash the object to yourself. However, since this seems to manipulate gravity on the object somehow, you'd have to either a) lash it very carefully so it didn't come crashing into you, or lash it to a couple of other things as well. If you're talking about something like I step, and the object I lashed to me moves, I stop and so does it, I doubt that it's possible to attain the degree of control for something like that to happen without a serious amount of concentration. And it's not really useful enough to warrant said concentration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zas678 he/him Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 I thought this was interesting, so I'll post it here, then in the wiki. From TWG-eslyan Chapter Symbol Herald Name 1 Attribute 1 Attribute 2 Herald Name 2 Attribute 1 Attribute 2 Prologue Szeth Jezrien Protecting Leading Jezrien Protecting Leading 1 Kaladin Talenelat Dependable Resourceful Talenelat Dependable Resourceful 2 Kaladin Vev Loving Healing Vev Loving Healing 3 Shallan Shalash Creative Honest Shalash Creative Honest 4 Shallan Ishar Pious Guiding Ishar Pious Guiding 5 Shallan Palah? Learned Giving Palah? Learned Giving 6 Kaladin Talenelat Dependable Resourceful Talenelat Dependable Resourceful 7 Shallan Ishar Pious Guiding Ishar Pious Guiding 8 Shallan Palah? Learned Giving Palah? Learned Giving 9 Kaladin Nalan Just Confident Nalan Just Confident 10 Kaladin Vev Loving Healing Vev Loving Healing 11 Kaladin Jezrien Protecting Leading Jezrien Protecting Leading I-1 Almighty Hoid ? ? Hoid ? ? I-2 Almighty Kalak/Kelek Resolute Builder Kalak/Kelek Resolute Builder I-3 Szeth Shalash Creative Honest Shalash Creative Honest 12 Dalinar Hoid ? ? Jezrien Protecting Leading 13 Dalinar Jezrien Protecting Leading Chach? Brave Obedient 14 Kaladin Kalak/Kelek Resolute Builder Jezrien Protecting Leading 15 Dalinar Chach? Brave Obedient Jezrien Protecting Leading 16 Kaladin Talenelat Dependable Resourceful Vev Loving Healing 17 Kaladin Vev Loving Healing Talenelat Dependable Resourceful 18 Dalinar Betab? Wise Careful Betab? Wise Careful 19 Dalinar Vev Loving Healing Jezrien Protecting Leading 20 Kaladin Vev Loving Healing Vev Loving Healing 21 Kaladin Vev Loving Healing Talenelat Dependable Resourceful 22 Dalinar Hoid ? ? Kalak/Kelek Resolute Builder 23 Kaladin Ishar Pious Guiding Vev Loving Healing 24 Dalinar Jezrien Protecting Leading Chach? Brave Obedient 25 Kaladin Betab? Wise Careful Nalan Just Confident 26 Dalinar Jezrien Protecting Leading Talenelat Dependable Resourceful 27 Kaladin Vev Loving Healing Talenelat Dependable Resourceful 28 Dalinar Palah? Learned Giving Jezrien Protecting Leading I-4 Almighty Betab? Wise Careful Betab? Wise Careful I-5 Almighty Palah? Learned Giving Palah? Learned Giving I-6 Szeth Nalan Just Confident Nalan Just Confident 29 Shallan Shalash Creative Honest Palah? Learned Giving 30 Kaladin Vev Loving Healing Talenelat Dependable Resourceful 31 Kaladin Chach? Brave Obedient Vev Loving Healing 32 Kaladin Nalan Just Confident Talenelat Dependable Resourceful 33 Shallan Ishar Pious Guiding Palah? Learned Giving 34 Kaladin Jezrien Protecting Leading Nalan Just Confident 35 Kaladin Jezrien Protecting Leading Jezrien Protecting Leading 36 Shallan Vev Loving Healing Palah? Learned Giving 37 Kaladin Palah? Learned Giving Vev Loving Healing 38 Kaladin Jezrien Protecting Leading Vev Loving Healing 39 Shallan Nalan Just Confident Shalash Creative Honest 40 Kaladin Kalak/Kelek Resolute Builder Talenelat Dependable Resourceful 41 Kaladin Nalan Just Confident Vev Loving Healing 42 Shallan Palah? Learned Giving Ishar Pious Guiding 43 Kaladin Talenelat Dependable Resourceful Talenelat Dependable Resourceful 44 Kaladin Talenelat Dependable Resourceful Vev Loving Healing 45 Shallan Shalash Creative Honest Palah? Learned Giving 46 Kaladin Chach? Brave Obedient Jezrien Protecting Leading 47 Kaladin Nalan Just Confident Talenelat Dependable Resourceful 48 Shallan Ishar Pious Guiding Ishar Pious Guiding 49 Kaladin Kalak/Kelek Resolute Builder Talenelat Dependable Resourceful 50 Shallan Vev Loving Healing Vev Loving Healing 51 Kaladin Nalan Just Confident Nalan Just Confident I-7 Almighty Shalash Creative Honest Shalash Creative Honest I-8 Almighty Palah? Learned Giving Palah? Learned Giving I-9 Szeth Nalan Just Confident Jezrien Protecting Leading 52 Dalinar Talenelat Dependable Resourceful Jezrien Protecting Leading 53 Kaladin Vev Loving Healing Vev Loving Healing 54 Dalinar Nalan Just Confident Hoid ? ? 55 Kaladin Jezrien Protecting Leading Talenelat Dependable Resourceful 56 Dalinar Chach? Brave Obedient Jezrien Protecting Leading 57 Kaladin Jezrien Protecting Leading Hoid ? ? 58 Dalinar Betab? Wise Careful Jezrien Protecting Leading 59 Kaladin Jezrien Protecting Leading Kalak/Kelek Resolute Builder 60 Dalinar Palah? Learned Giving Jezrien Protecting Leading 61 Dalinar Kalak/Kelek Resolute Builder Talenelat Dependable Resourceful 62 Kaladin Vev Loving Healing Talenelat Dependable Resourceful 63 Kaladin Chach? Brave Obedient Kalak/Kelek Resolute Builder 64 Dalinar Betab? Wise Careful Talenelat Dependable Resourceful 65 Dalinar Nalan Just Confident Chach? Brave Obedient 66 Dalinar Nalan Just Confident Vev Loving Healing 67 Kaladin Jezrien Protecting Leading Jezrien Protecting Leading 68 Dalinar Betab? Wise Careful Chach? Brave Obedient 69 Dalinar Nalan Just Confident Shalash Creative Honest 70 Shallan Betab? Wise Careful Shalash Creative Honest 71 Szeth Nalan Just Confident Vev Loving Healing 72 Shallan Palah? Learned Giving Palah? Learned Giving 73 Kaladin Vev Loving Healing Jezrien Protecting Leading 74 Shallan Ishar Pious Guiding Palah? Learned Giving 75 Dalinar Jezrien Protecting Leading Jezrien Protecting Leading Epilogue Almighty Talenelat Dependable Resourceful Hoid ? ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew the Great he/him Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 Interesting indeed. Can you put it in a table on the wiki so it'll be a bit easier to read? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano Stormblessed he/him Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 I believe it is already in the stormlight archive wiki Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zas678 he/him Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 I'm doing my best! Learning how to table in wiki format. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew the Great he/him Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 Yes, but it's also formatted fairly badly, making it difficult to read, and also includes extra information that isn't necessarily relevant (like the chapter epigraphs, though I admit that the viewpoint character and a summary of what happened in the chapter is nice. Though I think that would actually work better on the summary page than it would on the page with this table). Maybe I'll start adding that. If, you know, I ever actually finish the summaries.... And I would do it myself, but I know absolutely nothing about making tables in wikis... Also, we do strive to keep the Coppermind as complete as possible. This is a good resource, and where it's being freely shared, we really ought to get it added. EDIT: And zas replied before me. But at least I'm now spared the trouble of figuring out how wiki tables work. Though it probably wouldn't hurt for me to look it up. Starting to look better, Zas! Granted, it's still got a bit of work, but I'm thinking we're going in the right direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano Stormblessed he/him Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 I wouldn't mind helping out with helping fill the coppermind wiki, except I know nothing about doing wiki pages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zas678 he/him Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 There we go! Fixed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano Stormblessed he/him Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 Chapter 1 herald picture: Jeziem because he mentions stormfather in the quote? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew the Great he/him Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 Looking very much better, Zas! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordofsoup Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 so is it decided that Hoid is a herald? Hoid confuses me, because he seems to know so much, but he does not react to Talenal when he collapses. If he was a herald, he would know him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew the Great he/him Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 Hoid is almost certainly not a herald, based on what little we know. He was there when Adonalsium was shattered, and he pops up all over the place, something the other Heralds don't do (and couldn't, theoretically, since they were imprisoned between desolations. We also have reason to believe the other Heralds are just wandering Roshar) He is also very likely not a Shardbearer, as we had initially thought. At this point, it seems most likely that Hoid is just a random person who knows a whole lot more about the universe than anyone except the Shards, and happens to be using that knowledge to try to reach some unknown goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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