killersquirrel59 he/him Posted September 4, 2014 Report Share Posted September 4, 2014 I'm working on a new theory and realized it hinged on one important question that I thought I should check first. Do we have any confirmation that Ati and Leras were the original Shardholders for Preservation and Ruin? Is it possible that there were previous holders before them, notably that they might not have been the Shardholders who used Preservation and Ruin to create life on Scadrial, but subsequent inheritors to the Shards, natives of Scadrial itself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted September 4, 2014 Report Share Posted September 4, 2014 They created the life on Scadrial and I'm pretty sure we have confirmation that they're original shardholders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killersquirrel59 he/him Posted September 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2014 Can anyone find that confirmation? Like I said, I'm working on something that depends on this answer and can't find any confirmation one way or the other in my searches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Observer Posted September 4, 2014 Report Share Posted September 4, 2014 Ati and Leras had the unusual appearances of people originating from Yolen, the planet the Shards originated from. Unless another person from that planet somehow lost the Shards to them, it's basically a confirmation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moogle Posted September 4, 2014 Report Share Posted September 4, 2014 There is no confirmation to my knowledge. However, the chances of Ruin and Preservation not being the original Shardholders post-Adonalsium are basically nonexistent, and we have no hints there were people before them. Sazed would have brought it up during the epigraphs if they were not the original holders, I think... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weebojello Posted September 4, 2014 Report Share Posted September 4, 2014 We do have confirmation from the letter that Hoid wrote in TWoK. The letter is a conversation between Hoid and the leader of the 17th Shard, who are "hunting" Hoid. Hoid is asking for help in defeating Rayse, and mentions Ati directly as a person that was kind and nice, and eventually fell to the intent of his shard, Ruin. Because Hoid was at the shattering of Adonalsium, we are able to ascertain that it is very likely that all named Shardholders, Ati, Leras, Aona, Tanavast, Rayse, Bavadin are first generation Shardholders - the shards themselves being the shards of Adonalsium. **Yes, I forgot a couple of Shardholders...** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killersquirrel59 he/him Posted September 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2014 Not necessarily. All the letter from Hoid proves is that he knew Ati before he became Ruin. Hoid has traveled far and wide across the Cosmere and could have known him at any time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted September 5, 2014 Report Share Posted September 5, 2014 (edited) Well we know they're from Yolen so the odds of them not being the original holders are almost insignificant but there is a slight possibility. This quote confirms they're from Dragonsteel and Brandon at least implicitly accepts that they're the original Shardholders. YAMATOWill you ever go into more detail about the dead original shardholders? I'd love to know what kind of people Tanavast, Ati, and Leras were.BRANDON SANDERSONThey will all be characters in the Dragonsteel series. Edited September 5, 2014 by Voidus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killersquirrel59 he/him Posted September 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2014 Ok, that's about as definitive as Brandon ever gets without a hard confirmation. The fact that they are in Dragonsteel is pretty solid. Though we don't necessarily know what kind of timespan Dragonsteel might cover... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted September 5, 2014 Report Share Posted September 5, 2014 So Hoid is very involved in the third Mistborn trilogy, he’s also very involved in Dragonsteel, which is actually the first book in the sequence, long before Elantris happened. This is from pretty early on I think but I think it's safe to say that Dragondsteel is set before all the other cosmere books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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