Possible Feruchemical usage of Nicrosil

[The Sneaky Kandra]

Okay, So this is a little theory I've been having in my mind for a little while but it rely's upon a few small stepping stones first, so first of all, does storing Investiture in a nicrosil metalmind just store the investiture? like could you just hold onto a stormlight mark's worth of investiture, then pull it out in a month?

[JustQuestin2004 he/him]

15 minutes ago, The Sneaky Kandra said:

Okay, So this is a little theory I've been having in my mind for a little while but it rely's upon a few small stepping stones first, so first of all, does storing Investiture in a nicrosil metalmind just store the investiture? like could you just hold onto a stormlight mark's worth of investiture, then pull it out in a month?

A common misconception. F-Nicrosil stores the ability to use Invested Arts rather than raw power like Stormlight. 

You could store Allomancy, even Surgebinding probably, but not the power that fuels them.

[Trusk'our he/him]

15 minutes ago, The Sneaky Kandra said:

Okay, So this is a little theory I've been having in my mind for a little while but it rely's upon a few small stepping stones first, so first of all, does storing Investiture in a nicrosil metalmind just store the investiture? like could you just hold onto a stormlight mark's worth of investiture, then pull it out in a month?

Welcome to the Shard friend!

So, as to your question, that's not quite how it works.

Feruchemical Nicrosil seems to function by Storing the ability to use Investiture in certain ways. For example, if a Pewterarm/Soulbearer Twinborn were to Store their power to Burn pewter for its Allomantic affect, it's likely that they'd be able to Tap it later to enhance that Allomantic power just as you could use Feruchemy to enhance any other attribute.

Feruchemical Nicrosil is also necessary in the creation of Unsealed Metalminds such as the Southern Scadriens have access to.

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13 minutes ago, The Sneaky Kandra said:

Okay, So this is a little theory I've been having in my mind for a little while but it rely's upon a few small stepping stones first, so first of all, does storing Investiture in a nicrosil metalmind just store the investiture? like could you just hold onto a stormlight mark's worth of investiture, then pull it out in a month?

Basically, we don't really know for sure yet. There are a few theories (see below) but because of the way that Southern Medallions are descibed, most people think it is storing/tapping a Manifestation of Investiture, rather than raw investiture. WoB:

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Pagerunner

When you tap the nicrosil portion of a medallion, will it run out over time? Or is it like a coppermind, where something discrete is taken, used, and returned?

Brandon Sanderson

Good question! Like a coppermind.

General Signed Books 2018 (Oct. 15, 2018)

Now, if a Nicrosil Ferring will actually be the same - we'll find out in Era 3. 

Here are some threads on the topic:

• Compounding Nicrosil
• F-Nicrosil what the???
• F-Nicrosil and Feruchemical Efficiency
• How do you use Nicrosil

[The Sneaky Kandra]

Hey, thank you so much guys, one more quick question, what would happen if you somehow, by some "Christmas miracle" had the opportunity to burn a second bead of lerasium? 

[Trusk'our he/him]

14 minutes ago, The Sneaky Kandra said:

Hey, thank you so much guys, one more quick question, what would happen if you somehow, by some "Christmas miracle" had the opportunity to burn a second bead of lerasium? 

You mean if you already Burned one?

It would add to your total power, making you a stronger Mistborn;

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Shardlet

If Vin and Elend hypothetically each blindly ingested equivalently sized beads of lerasium, would Vin be a stronger Mistborn than Elend, or would they be equal?

Brandon Sanderson

Yes, Vin would be stronger. It is additive, not just an overwrite.

 

[Treamayne]

7 hours ago, The Sneaky Kandra said:

Hey, thank you so much guys, one more quick question, what would happen if you somehow, by some "Christmas miracle" had the opportunity to burn a second bead of lerasium? 

7 hours ago, Trusk'our said:

You mean if you already Burned one?

It would add to your total power, making you a stronger Mistborn;

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If Vin and Elend hypothetically each blindly ingested equivalently sized beads of lerasium, would Vin be a stronger Mistborn than Elend, or would they be equal?

Brandon Sanderson

Yes, Vin would be stronger. It is additive, not just an overwrite.

 

Actually, that is not what that WoB is saying. Vin has never burned Lerasium - the WoB means that since she started with Allomantic potential. after 1 bead each she would have more total Alomantic potential. However, the "becomes Mistborn" is not the primary effect of Lerasium. So, a Mistborn that knows Lerasium has a primary effect would get a different result (that is still currently RAFO). So, correct, but incomplete- WoBs:

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Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased)

Lerasium overwrites Spiritual DNA. It can do some interesting things, and can overwrite your Spiritual DNA in different ways if you do it right. If a Surgebinder ate lerasium, he would become an Allomancer, but Brandon implied other things could be done.

Alloy of Law 17th Shard Q&A (Nov. 5, 2011)

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Chapter Thirty-Eight

Preservation's Power

All right, so maybe I lied about there only being three magic systems in this book. It comes down to how you term the powers of Preservation and Ruin, who kind of blanket the entire system. There are a lot of things going on here, and—well, the truth is I don't want to mention all of them, for fear of spoiling future books. However, I'll give you a few rules to apply.

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As a tidbit, that was a side effect of what that bead of metal did. It wasn't the main purpose of the bead, and if another Allomancer were to burn it, it would do something else.

The Hero of Ages Annotations (Nov. 12, 2009)

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When will we find out about the other effect of burning lerasium?

Brandon Sanderson

Ummm, you-- I think it-- Ehhh, maybe eventually. I don't know. Not as relevant as it once was.

Shadows of Self release party (Oct. 5, 2015)

 

 

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[alder24]

12 hours ago, The Sneaky Kandra said:

Hey, thank you so much guys, one more quick question, what would happen if you somehow, by some "Christmas miracle" had the opportunity to burn a second bead of lerasium? 

And I will add a thing or two to this. Lerasium rewrites your spirit web, it Connects you to Preservation, which makes you an Allomancer. Burning it again would make you stronger. But there might be some other effects of Lerasium if someone were to know what to do. 

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If a Mistborn burns lerasium, as in, not just ingests it, what effect would it grant Allomantically?

Brandon Sanderson

That is a RAFO. It would do something, but the thing you've gotta remember is that, when ingesting lerasium for the first time and gaining the powers, your body is actually burning it. Think of lerasium as a metal anyone can burn. Does that make sense? By burning it you gain access to those powers. It rewrites your spiritual DNA, and there are ways to do really cool things with lerasium that I don't see how anyone would know. Were most Mistborn to just burn it, it would rewrite their genetic code to increase their power as an Allomancer.

17th Shard Interview (Oct. 3, 2010)

 

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Kaimipono

Allomancy is fueled by Preservation's body? How exactly does that work? And how does that interact with Atium—it's fueled by both gods' bodies?

Brandon Sanderson

The powers of Ruin and Preservation are Shards of Adonalsium, pieces of the power of creation itself. Allomancy, Hemalurgy, Feruchemy are manifestations of this power in mortal form, the ability to touch the powers of creation and use them. These metallic powers are how people's physical forms interpret the use of the Shard, though it's not the only possible way they could be interpreted or used. It's what the genetics and Realmatic interactions of Scadrial allow for, and has to do with the Spiritual, the Cognitive, and the Physical Realms.

Condensed 'essence' of these godly powers can act as super-fuel for Allomancy, Feruchemy, or really any of the powers. The form of that super fuel is important. In liquid form it's most potent, in gas form it's able to fuel Allomancy as if working as a metal. In physical form it is rigid and does one specific thing. In the case of atium, it allows sight into the future. In the case of concentrated Preservation, it gives one a permanent connection to the mists and the powers of creation. (I.e., it makes them an Allomancer.)

So when a person is burning metals, they aren't using Preservation's body as a fuel so to speak—though they are tapping into the powers of creation just slightly. When Vin burns the mists, however, she'd doing just that—using the essence of Preservation, the Shard of Adonalsium itself—to fuel Allomancy. Doing this, however, rips 'troughs' through her body. It's like forcing far too much pressure through a very small, fragile hose. That much power eventually vaporizes the corporeal host, which is acting as the block and forcing the power into a single type of conduit (Allomancy) and frees it to be more expansive.

Hero of Ages Q&A - Time Waster's Guide (Oct. 15, 2008)

 

The other things that can be done with Lerasium are likely referring to alloys of Lerasium - alloying Lerasium with Atium might rewrite your spirit web with the power of Ruin, alloying it with Bavadinium will rewrite your spirit web with the power of Autonomy, making you a Sand Master. It seems like the main effect of Lerasium is just rewriting your spirit web, but it depends on the composition of the metal. 

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Stormlightning

If Hoid was to get his hands on "bavadinium," could he alloy it with lerasium and get Sand Mastery?

Brandon Sanderson

This is theoretically possible.

FanX 2018 (Sept. 6, 2018)

 

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Questioner (paraphrased)

What will an Atium-Lerasium Alloy do ?

Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased)

Ah, I've been asked this before. There are a number of theories, but nobody's really sure, since there haven't really been any opportunities to alloy lerasium with atium. You can choose which one to believe. Most require an understanding of realmatic theory to comprehend, which you need to be a Shard or Splinter to even begin to understand.What Lerasium is, is essentially a hack for something like your spiritual DNA. It rewrites what your spiritual self is capable of. So, combined with atium, which allows you a glimpse into the vision of everything - past, present, future - the theories say it could do one of two things. It could either create a substance so volatile that it would have world-ending repercussions, or rewrite your "spiritual DNA" (his phrase, not mine) with atium's power. Is that a vague enough answer?

TWG Posts (March 23, 2010)

 

[The Sneaky Kandra]

If a Knight Radiant squire stored their ability to use stormlight into a nicrosil metalmind would they be able to draw stormlight when away from their Knight Radiant?

[alder24]

59 minutes ago, The Sneaky Kandra said:

If a Knight Radiant squire stored their ability to use stormlight into a nicrosil metalmind would they be able to draw stormlight when away from their Knight Radiant?

I think that's more of a Connection issue than ability - it's similar to Elantrians getting weaker further away from Elantris which can be overcomed by tapping Connection from a Duraluminmind. Both Radiant squires and Elantrians are bound by proximity to their source of power.

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DoritoJH

So, AonDor is super versatile and powerful.

Brandon Sanderson

Yes, but region-locked!

DoritoJH

Yes, it is region locked, exactly. If a full Feruchemist using nicrosil were to create an unlocked medallion that allowed an Elantrian to store Connection to Elantris' location, would it let them use AonDor at full power as long as they were tapping that Connection?

Brandon Sanderson

Yes. That should work just fine.

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Just understand that the medallion's going to have to be usable by everyone in order to work. You're going to have to jump through some hoops, but I think what you want there would work. And for those of you listening, that would be the harder way to unlock AonDor. There are easier methods.

DragonCon 2019 (Aug. 31, 2019)