iLewoArtist29 she/her Posted July 10 Report Share Posted July 10 I'm going to keep this brief. I found Kelsier's self-sacrifice a little odd because he was literally one of (probably) two Mistborns around. I read Secret History and that does explain a little, but like- Oh, also, how (in the Wax and Wayne series) did he talk to Marasi? They were still in Scadrial. So that doesn't make much sense to me. Thoughts? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trusk'our he/him Posted July 10 Report Share Posted July 10 (edited) 9 minutes ago, iLewoArtist29 said: I'm going to keep this brief. I found Kelsier's self-sacrifice a little odd because he was literally one of (probably) two Mistborns around. I read Secret History and that does explain a little, but like- Not too much, really. He wanted to beat the Lord Ruler, no matter the personal cost, and Sazed's teaching of religion's power on people's mentality gave him what he viewed as a last ditch effort. That's how I recall it, in any case. 9 minutes ago, iLewoArtist29 said: Oh, also, how (in the Wax and Wayne series) did he talk to Marasi? They were still in Scadrial. So that doesn't make much sense to me. Elantris spoilers: Spoiler They used two Seons to communicate. Also, welcome to the Shard friend! Edited July 10 by Trusk'our 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iLewoArtist29 she/her Posted July 10 Author Report Share Posted July 10 Hey, thanks, that makes a lot more sense. Also, @Hyper129 is one of my friends, so if you know him, tell him to talk to me real quick because I don't think he's realize I'm on here. 16 minutes ago, iLewoArtist29 said: I'm going to keep this brief. I found Kelsier's self-sacrifice a little odd because he was literally one of (probably) two Mistborns around. I read Secret History and that does explain a little, but like- Oh, also, how (in the Wax and Wayne series) did he talk to Marasi? They were still in Scadrial. So that doesn't make much sense to me. Thoughts? "My ears are ringing, and I've been reminded - quite profoundly - that I'm at least two decades past prime exploding age." - Waxillium 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alder24 Posted July 10 Report Share Posted July 10 53 minutes ago, iLewoArtist29 said: I'm going to keep this brief. I found Kelsier's self-sacrifice a little odd because he was literally one of (probably) two Mistborns around. I read Secret History and that does explain a little, but like- The most important thing Kelsier cared about was killing the Lord Ruler. By becoming a martyr, he solidified his new religion, which he believed would be able to unite all Skaa together to overthrow the Lord Ruler by sheer numbers. Mistborn are impressive killers, but even they can't take on an army by themselves. He falsely believed that the Lord Ruler is just a strong Allomancer and with enough people they can tie him up and kill him - he didn't know Rashek dealt with worse rebellions in the past all by himself. Without Vin drawing power from the Mists, his whole plan would only cause a decimation of the Skaa population. So yes, his plan almost failed, but it was a good plan judging by the knowledge Kelsier possessed. He already believed he was living on borrowed time and he should have died in the Pits with Mare, so it didn't matter to him if he were to die, as long as it brought the Lord Ruler one step closer to death. And his death was needed for his religion to start, without his death, OreSeur would not be able to impersonate him as miraculously survived his own death and making people actually believe that Kelsier had divine powers, with which he was going to protect all Skaa. 1 hour ago, iLewoArtist29 said: Oh, also, how (in the Wax and Wayne series) did he talk to Marasi? They were still in Scadrial. So that doesn't make much sense to me. Thoughts? It was a Seon, a magical thing from another world that can communicate with other Soens instantly. Kel was on Scadrial too, but he had his own Sean with him. Seons are explained in detail in the Elantris book. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iLewoArtist29 she/her Posted July 10 Author Report Share Posted July 10 Ohhhhh I forgot about that. Thanks guys! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyper129 He/Him Posted July 11 Report Share Posted July 11 I love kell haha 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iLewoArtist29 she/her Posted July 11 Author Report Share Posted July 11 Don't we all? I wish he hadn't died/whatever he did. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reisleK she/her Posted July 12 Report Share Posted July 12 On 7/10/2024 at 9:29 PM, iLewoArtist29 said: Don't we all? I wish he hadn't died/whatever he did. Oh he's still kicking... have you read Stormlight? I can't tell if I adore him or if I despise him, probably both 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iLewoArtist29 she/her Posted July 12 Author Report Share Posted July 12 49 minutes ago, reisleK said: Oh he's still kicking... have you read Stormlight? I will be reading Stormlight in approximately the time it takes for my dad to come back from the library with the first and only book they have. I already got Hyper to lend me the others, so that's great. Also, I noticed Hoid turns up in Tress of the Emerald Sea, Mistborn, and (I'm guessing) Stormlight. I briefly saw a page about that somewhere, but I didn't get time to read it. Can someone explain...? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+hwiles Posted July 12 Report Share Posted July 12 9 minutes ago, iLewoArtist29 said: I will be reading Stormlight in approximately the time it takes for my dad to come back from the library with the first and only book they have. I already got Hyper to lend me the others, so that's great. Also, I noticed Hoid turns up in Tress of the Emerald Sea, Mistborn, and (I'm guessing) Stormlight. I briefly saw a page about that somewhere, but I didn't get time to read it. Can someone explain...? Hoid...turns up in every cosmere novel. He's a master of disguise and intrigue and gets around like crazy. The members of the 17th shard seem to believe that he has had his spiritual Fortune hacked to the point that he is essentially a fully loaded deus ex machina just walking around waiting to happen. Imagine being drunk on Felix Felicis potions 24/7 and also so Invested that one can no longer be harmed in the traditional sense of the word...that's Hoid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iLewoArtist29 she/her Posted July 12 Author Report Share Posted July 12 WHOA. That is insanely cool. Or weird. I can't decide which. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reisleK she/her Posted July 12 Report Share Posted July 12 22 minutes ago, iLewoArtist29 said: I will be reading Stormlight in approximately the time it takes for my dad to come back from the library with the first and only book they have. I already got Hyper to lend me the others, so that's great. Also, I noticed Hoid turns up in Tress of the Emerald Sea, Mistborn, and (I'm guessing) Stormlight. I briefly saw a page about that somewhere, but I didn't get time to read it. Can someone explain...? Adding on to what @hwiles said. In other words, he is a worldhopper (someone who travels throughout cosmere). Hoid is also old. Really old. Regardless, if it's a cosmere novel, you should expect Hoid somewhere. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyper129 He/Him Posted July 12 Report Share Posted July 12 He's also the one who is telling the stories in every Secret Project 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reisleK she/her Posted July 12 Report Share Posted July 12 2 minutes ago, iLewoArtist29 said: WHOA. That is insanely cool. Or weird. I can't decide which. Oh and if you see a random beggar, it's probably Hoid. Random coachman? Hoid. Especially if there's a storyteller, it's going to be Hoid. (He's usually mentioned by name, either Hoid or his other alliases. Don't worry about not being able to spot him, you'll know when you see him, or its mentioned.) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyper129 He/Him Posted July 12 Report Share Posted July 12 15 minutes ago, reisleK said: Oh and if you see a random beggar, it's probably Hoid. Random coachman? Hoid. Especially if there's a storyteller, it's going to be Hoid. (He's usually mentioned by name, either Hoid or his other alliases. Don't worry about not being able to spot him, you'll know when you see him, or its mentioned.) Spoiler The scene where he's a coachman and he and Kaladin see each other is legitimately one of my favorite scenes in the entire Stormlight series 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iLewoArtist29 she/her Posted July 13 Author Report Share Posted July 13 3 hours ago, reisleK said: Oh and if you see a random beggar, it's probably Hoid. Random coachman? Hoid. Especially if there's a storyteller, it's going to be Hoid. (He's usually mentioned by name, either Hoid or his other alliases. Don't worry about not being able to spot him, you'll know when you see him, or its mentioned.) Oh, yeah, I remember that. Thanks, guys! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reisleK she/her Posted July 13 Report Share Posted July 13 12 hours ago, iLewoArtist29 said: Oh, yeah, I remember that. Thanks, guys! You're welcome! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Returned Posted July 13 Report Share Posted July 13 I'm late to the thread, but I also think Kelsier's sacrifice in Final Empire has a lot of thematic elements driving it. Even with his adaptability, determination, daring, and power, Kelsier's greatest strength was really his charisma. He could inspire others to do things for grand reasons, but ultimately that was a result of personal connections he managed and it led to others sacrificing themselves for his causes. Being killed, defiantly, by the Lord Ruler inverted that: a final, powerful application of his charisma by way of his own sacrifice which then inspired others he never met to actively participate in their own cause. I don't think that replaces anything other posters have said or anything that is in the text (plots and narratives should happen on the page), but is an angle on the event that I've been thinking about. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iLewoArtist29 she/her Posted July 13 Author Report Share Posted July 13 2 hours ago, Returned said: I'm late to the thread, but I also think Kelsier's sacrifice in Final Empire has a lot of thematic elements driving it. Even with his adaptability, determination, daring, and power, Kelsier's greatest strength was really his charisma. He could inspire others to do things for grand reasons, but ultimately that was a result of personal connections he managed and it led to others sacrificing themselves for his causes. Being killed, defiantly, by the Lord Ruler inverted that: a final, powerful application of his charisma by way of his own sacrifice which then inspired others he never met to actively participate in their own cause. I don't think that replaces anything other posters have said or anything that is in the text (plots and narratives should happen on the page), but is an angle on the event that I've been thinking about. Hm. That is a fascinating way of looking at it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+robardin he/him Posted July 26 Report Share Posted July 26 On 7/12/2024 at 4:47 PM, reisleK said: Oh he's still kicking... have you read Stormlight? I can't tell if I adore him or if I despise him, probably both Though TBH you don't really "see" him in Stormlight until the pre-released prologue to SA5, IIRC. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reisleK she/her Posted July 28 Report Share Posted July 28 On 7/26/2024 at 2:15 PM, robardin said: Though TBH you don't really "see" him in Stormlight until the pre-released prologue to SA5, IIRC. Well you don't see him, yeah, but you certainly hear about him 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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