Chaos he/him Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 Entirely possible. If anything, however, the Dawnblades/Dawnshards are of Honor, as those are what the Heralds used. Interesting point on the nahel bond with the Radiants, and how that would influence the Shardblades. I didn't think of that before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silus - Shard of Flame he/him Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 I'm not very sure about any of this, but one thing I'm pretty certain on is that the Shardblades and Shardplate are from the same Shard. It just doesn't seem to ring right. Of course, this might have been my feeling about Atium if I had been around early enough, but I dunno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KChan she/her Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 I'm mostly thinking that if Shardblades were of Odium, then honorspren would have always disliked them, and that might have influenced the nahel bond somehow. Perhaps they're of Honor, but something happened to corrupt them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyRioter she/her Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 I'm mostly thinking that if Shardblades were of Odium, then honorspren would have always disliked them, and that might have influenced the nahel bond somehow. Perhaps they're of Honor, but something happened to corrupt them. That's what I believe. It's the only explanation I can think of for why Syl doesn't like them even though the KR used them, we saw in Dalinar's vision that they seemed to change when theKR gave them up and other people started using them to kill each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos he/him Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 So now the question of the day is, if Kaladin did have a Shardblade, would he still be able to bond with Syl, or would these supposedly corrupted Shardblades disrupt it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe ST he/him Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 So now the question of the day is, if Kaladin did have a Shardblade, would he still be able to bond with Syl, or would these supposedly corrupted Shardblades disrupt it? or does the power of the Surgebinder (from the oaths?) 'purify' the Shardblades (maybe which were of Odium) into being all good >.>. (and before you say it, maybe Syl doesnt know that they're 'good' if used by the Surgebinders?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silus - Shard of Flame he/him Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 Maybe it's that someone besides one of the KR was using it. Kaladin as a developing KR would be able to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KChan she/her Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 It's likely - just like how Shardplate only glowed for the Knights Radiant - but we need more information, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silus - Shard of Flame he/him Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 It's a good thing we can look forward to nine more books, then, huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KChan she/her Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 Very much so! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyRioter she/her Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 I've never been so deeply involved with a long epic when only the first book was out before. I'm having lots of fun theorizing. Even if most of my theories are probably going to end up being wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos he/him Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 I'm going to comment on my own question. Obviously, there are Windrunners who also have Shardblades. Szeth, naturally. If he has a spren, somewhere, then this invalidates this idea that if Kaladin grabbed a Shardblade, he'd lose Syl. Unless there's more going on with the Shardblades. I'm reading some very interesting theories on Stormblessed that I don't know what to think of yet. Namely, http://www.stormblessed.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=325 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe ST he/him Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 That stuff is pretty interesting, hmmmm. Maybe the spren are 'of' all the Shards, and the association of death brought from the abandonment leads to them being 'corrupted'? Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KChan she/her Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 Hmmm. It's something to think about, for sure. After all, no one's saying that they have to be of only one of the Shards (though if they were, I would be more inclined to think of normal spren as being of Cultivation, which might be another explanation for why honorspren are so different). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordofsoup Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 What about the huge sea spren that Axies the Collector sees. The guardian, I think. Spren usually show up when something is create, fire, a picture, glory, wind. So at least part of cultivation and spren make sense. But these giant spren with only one member dont fit anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos he/him Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 Splinters of Cultivation, perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KChan she/her Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 Indeed. After all, the giant spren was still a member of nature, which fits nicely with the image evoked by the very name Cultivation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silus - Shard of Flame he/him Posted March 27, 2011 Report Share Posted March 27, 2011 What happened to Honor's power then? When Preservation gave up his mind to imprision Ruin his power, his "body", became the mists. My theory is that the Spren are to Honor what the mists are to Preservation, an expression of his power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos he/him Posted March 27, 2011 Report Share Posted March 27, 2011 What happened to Honor's power then? When Preservation gave up his mind to imprision Ruin his power, his "body", became the mists. My theory is that the Spren are to Honor what the mists are to Preservation, an expression of his power. I guess, but normal spren feel a lot like Cultivation. An event "cultivates" them, so to speak. From a Shard Intent standpoint, Cultivation feels more right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeldaDad he/him Posted March 27, 2011 Report Share Posted March 27, 2011 (edited) I guess, but normal spren feel a lot like Cultivation. An event "cultivates" them, so to speak. From a Shard Intent standpoint, Cultivation feels more right. This makes sense to me. I mean, could the storms be like an after-shock/embodyment of Honor's power? The storms are full of power; they charge gems with stormlight. Or have a missed a crucial discussion that tells the cause of the storms? Edited March 27, 2011 by Endra kin'Fox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos he/him Posted March 27, 2011 Report Share Posted March 27, 2011 This makes sense to me. I mean, could the storms be like an after-shock/embodyment of Honor's power? The storms are full of power; they charge gems with stormlight. Or have a missed a crucial discussion that tells the cause of the storms? No such topic exists. You should go make it! The highstorms are quite mysterious, really. What Shards caused them? What is Stormlight? etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeldaDad he/him Posted March 27, 2011 Report Share Posted March 27, 2011 I will! I don't have anything better to do! I mean, I'm just sitting here at work so.... why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeatherWriter she/her Posted March 27, 2011 Report Share Posted March 27, 2011 Let's assume Syl, as honorspren, is a Splinter. Honorspren, when they are not bound to a person, return to being regular spren. Does this mean they are no longer Splinters? That's silly. Okay. I just had a wierd thought. (And it works with my Honor like Adonalsium theory, so I like it). The idea that only the Honorspren (what I call bondable spren, including the symbol heads, because I think Syl is actually a more specific type) are splinters falls short because, like Chaos said, why do they go back to acting like regular spren when their not bonded? What if the Honorspren aren't splinters? What if they have splinters? It bugged me that the spren as splinters were sentient because the Divine breaths aren't sentient, they attach themselves to sentience. So spren are spren, but certain types (Honorspren) have splinters! When they're not using that splinter to bond with a human, then they just act like normal spren. Returned are different from other humans because they have splinters. Honorspren are different from the other spren because they have splinters. Seems like we made a similar mistake when we thought the Returned were splinters, so why are we making the same assumption? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordofsoup Posted March 27, 2011 Report Share Posted March 27, 2011 Ok so if I get what you are saying Feather, Honorspren are of cultivation but they manages to pick up splinters of Honor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos he/him Posted March 28, 2011 Report Share Posted March 28, 2011 That's not a bad theory, Feather. I've started thinking that Surgebinding is related to both Honor and Cultivation (in that there are bonds--Honor--and spren--Cultivation), but your answer may be more elegant. I like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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