Stranker Posted July 2, 2016 Report Share Posted July 2, 2016 This is just something I was wondering. No one knows what the Beyond is like, not even Harmony. I feel like it has more importance to it than just being an afterlife. Maybe someone in the Beyond will eventually need to affect something in the physical realm? What do you guys think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asperity he/him Posted July 2, 2016 Report Share Posted July 2, 2016 Well yeah. I'd say the God Beyond itself is one of the biggest mysteries in the Cosmere. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Script he/him Posted July 2, 2016 Report Share Posted July 2, 2016 Well, Beyond is not equal to God Beyond. Beyond is somewhere out of 3 realms of Cosmere, and is the place ppl's soul head to after death. Somewhere like "The other shore of life". And what I feel is, since Beyond is out of 3 realms, and seems to be least close to PR, I wonder that something in Beyond could even touch PR. But safer to be conservative on this. Interesting question, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata he/him Posted July 2, 2016 Report Share Posted July 2, 2016 The ansew is of course "We can't know it". But I will say not, for a couple of reasons (that may be meaningful or meaningless): - The Shards at least the one we saw, don't know what the Beyond is, this mean they haven't any kind of interaction with it, if someone may influence the Realms from the Beyond... Well a Shard gains some information about the Beyond. - The Deads' minds are pulled in the Beyond... It's a strong and overcoming pull. Once in the Beyond the pull is probably stronger and for someone there "send" something in the realms will be impossible. Of course this are only my ideas, I have not sure proofs, I have a couple of ideas about the Beyond and the God Beyond and I am uncapable of deciding what are more likely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jondesu he/him Posted July 2, 2016 Report Share Posted July 2, 2016 3 hours ago, Yata said: - The Deads' minds are pulled in the Beyond... It's a strong and overcoming pull. Once in the Beyond the pull is probably stronger and for someone there "send" something in the realms will be impossible. Impossible until Kelsier goes there and tries it, you mean, right? jW 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata he/him Posted July 2, 2016 Report Share Posted July 2, 2016 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Jondesu said: Impossible until Kelsier goes there and tries it, you mean, right? jW He or the Stick of course. Example: Honor (restored), Cultivation and Odium appear before the Stick to welcome it before its journey in the Beyond (It is The Stick after all) H: Well my lord it's time to go The Mighty Stick: I am a Stick C: A great journey await for your highnes The Mighty Stick: I am a Stick O: ... The Beyond is where the Sticks goes (nervous) and the Mighty Stick fades and reachs the Beyond (Leras would be proud of Rayse) , but after some second... Stick Beyond's Overlord: I AM A STICK!!! Honor, Cultivation and Odium de-Invest themself from Great Roshar System and run away from their lives. EDIT: This is pretty cool, i will copy-paste in Sanderson meme XD Edited July 2, 2016 by Yata 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrakeMarshall he/him Posted July 2, 2016 Report Share Posted July 2, 2016 (edited) Well... The only thing we are pretty sure about is that nothing in the three realms can interact with the great beyond. Now... If it is symmetric... Then nobody in the afterlife can interact with the three realms either. Mind you... In a different threat about the beyond, I noted that various realms are not necessarily symmetric in how one can interact from them. So I wouldn't say that this answers the question. So... I don't think we can know. Unless SH gets a sequel where Kelsier goes there and tries it. Edited July 2, 2016 by Drake Marshall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Script he/him Posted July 3, 2016 Report Share Posted July 3, 2016 So basically, asker @Stranker, your question might not have a certain answer for now, just discussions XD But it's an thinking expansion on issue Beyond, thx anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormyQueen she/her Posted July 7, 2016 Report Share Posted July 7, 2016 I feel like if people in the Spiritual Realm could interact or influence things in the other realms, it would undermine the storytelling aspect, and would have to be very carefully handled. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata he/him Posted July 7, 2016 Report Share Posted July 7, 2016 40 minutes ago, CalypsoDreaming said: I feel like if people in the Spiritual Realm could interact or influence things in the other realms, it would undermine the storytelling aspect, and would have to be very carefully handled. The Beyond isn't the Spiritual Realm... The Beyond is a place beyond the 3 Realms. We know something about the Spiritual Realm and we also saw them a few times because to a certain extent is reachable... The Beyond is mistery also for some Ascendend being like Harmony (but we don't know if it's the same for the other Shards) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argel he/him Posted July 7, 2016 Report Share Posted July 7, 2016 I think it's Brandon's way of avoiding real-world philosophical religious discussions in his Fantasy novels, which only works if there are few details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landis963 he/him Posted July 7, 2016 Report Share Posted July 7, 2016 Remember how people felt back when WoR was released when Szeth and Jasnah came back from the dead? Imagine that, but worse. The Beyond is for characters whose stories are finished, not for those who still have a part to play. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormyQueen she/her Posted July 7, 2016 Report Share Posted July 7, 2016 10 hours ago, Yata said: The Beyond isn't the Spiritual Realm... The Beyond is a place beyond the 3 Realms. We know something about the Spiritual Realm and we also saw them a few times because to a certain extent is reachable... The Beyond is mistery also for some Ascendend being like Harmony (but we don't know if it's the same for the other Shards) Ah, noted. Well, either way the point still stands. It threatens to ruin the finality of death within the books, if characters can interact with others. I, personally would say that it is a mystery, but not one that necessarily has to be solved or answered, even in the Cosmere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three1415 Posted July 7, 2016 Report Share Posted July 7, 2016 (edited) From my perspective, the Beyond is similar to most current religions' idea of the afterlife, and the God Beyond comparable to a truly omniscient/omnipotent deity (Adonalsium was evidently neither because he was Shattered). As such, I highly doubt we'll see anything of it, because doing so would violate the sanctity with which such "true" afterlives are invested, and would spark controversy; when left undescribed, it is up to the reader to decide exactly what kind of heaven/hell/etc. they want to imagine. Edited July 7, 2016 by Three1415 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainRyan he/him Posted July 8, 2016 Report Share Posted July 8, 2016 5 hours ago, Three1415 said: a truly omniscient/omnipotent deity (Adonalsium was evidently neither because he was Shattered). To me, Adonalsium being Shattered is not a reason to rule out omniscience/omnipotence. Depending on how you view Christianity, Jesus was both omniscient and omnipotent but allowed Himself to be killed to fulfill a specific purpose. Adonalsium might have allowed the Shattering for a specific reason, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eki Posted July 8, 2016 Report Share Posted July 8, 2016 8 hours ago, CaptainRyan said: To me, Adonalsium being Shattered is not a reason to rule out omniscience/omnipotence. Depending on how you view Christianity, Jesus was both omniscient and omnipotent but allowed Himself to be killed to fulfill a specific purpose. Adonalsium might have allowed the Shattering for a specific reason, no? I think this is what Frost (or whoever did write that letter) thinks. I don't know if Frost thinks Adonalsium was omniscient, but at least he seems to think that the shattering was part of Adonalsium's plan for the cosmere. That's why he doesn't want Hoid interferring. Of course, if Adonalsium's shattering was part of the plan, so could Hoid's actions, so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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