Assassin in Burgundy he/him Posted July 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 10 minutes ago, Releaser said: That may help. I am a big fan of the theory that every herald (besides Taln) was at that Parshendi treaty signing feast. Wow... That does help. I'd never understood that picture before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oversleep Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 2 hours ago, Emerald101 said: The only way that Ishar would be able to back up the threat he made would be using either some Bondsmith-specific power to break their Nahel bonds, or some kind of special Herald power that we don't know about. Or just power of authorithy - Heralds were regarded as divine beings, the emissaries of the Almighty, the leaders and protectors of mankind. Anyway they had at that point more battle experience (Desolations) than any Radiant (what could have been life expectancy with stone/bronze level tech and probably they had a lot less gems providing Stormlight than in current era?), so there is that. Arguments could be made that since Honorblades where made specifically for the Heralds their Stormlight efficiency could have been better, but I don't like striding into speculation without any proof. Anyway, my take on that Ishar epigraph is that that's when the Surgebinders were organized into Orders, with hierarchy, chain of command and so on. It's... it's like the difference between scattered superheroes and foundation of Justice League. Things start to get coordinated; no more Surgebinders fighting between themselves, they are sent where they are needed and things like that. Not to mention that they would start passing experience between generations and teach new, fresh Surgebinders. That would help a lot. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erklitt she/her Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 (edited) 7 hours ago, Releaser said: I am a big fan of the theory that every herald (besides Taln) was at that Parshendi treaty signing feast. Haven't read the theory but wondered about that, too! Do you happen to have a link to such a discussion? Edit: Just been to the discussion about the Aimians' curse, which reminded me: could the beggar that Axies meets be Jezrien? He would have had years after the party to move through all of Roshar. He asks Axies whether he's a herald, which seems a pointer against it, but after all, if that really was him at the party, he even asked 'Have you seen me?' So why should he remember that he knows all the heralds? And he does have something of a god complex... Edited July 21, 2016 by Erklitt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Releaser Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 16 hours ago, Erklitt said: Haven't read the theory but wondered about that, too! Do you happen to have a link to such a discussion? Who knows where that discussion is now, that might have been after WoK was released that I read that. A similar theory has it that all of the Heralds that stayed on Roshar, are now the opposite of what they were. The healer is now a murder (speculation that Vedel is one of the ardents helping King Taravangian kill people). Jezrien the former leader of the heralds, is now a slobbering gibbering drunk. Shallash who was the herald of art or what ever is now destroying all art with her face on it (and prob the assassian that Jesnah meets with). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VinKohlin she/her Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 On 7/19/2016 at 1:32 PM, Drake Marshall said: It is also interesting to note that the heralds seem to still be around in current Roshar... We have seen Talenel, Shalash, and Nalan. I am willing to bet that we have seen at least one other herald that we haven't recognized yet. I highly doubt these three are the only ones who will be involved in the story when all is said and done. Who are Salash and Nalan? And is Zial a herald? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrakeMarshall he/him Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 (edited) Shalash is the herald who apparently is going to great efforts to destroy statues and paintings of herself. We see her doing this in an interlude in Words of Radiance, and Szeth notes that the statue of Shalash is missing right before he assassinates Gavilar, which is likely also her work. Nalan (refered to by Szeth as Nin) is the herald of justice. Several interuldes in Words of Radiance involve him and some incipient surgebinders, and then there is his encounter with Szeth at the end of the book... I am afraid I am going to have to return in kind now. Who exactly is Zial? The only name similar to that I can think of is Zahel... If by any chance you do refer to Zahel, he isn't a herald no. Edited July 21, 2016 by Drake Marshall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emerald101 he/him Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 On 7/20/2016 at 3:07 PM, Oversleep said: Or just power of authorithy - Heralds were regarded as divine beings, the emissaries of the Almighty, the leaders and protectors of mankind. Anyway they had at that point more battle experience (Desolations) than any Radiant (what could have been life expectancy with stone/bronze level tech and probably they had a lot less gems providing Stormlight than in current era?), so there is that. The Phrase used in the the Epigraph is "destroy each and every one", which in my mind implies use of physical force. Also, we have absolutely no way of knowing what level of experience the Heralds had when this took place. You seem to be assuming that there was a gap of substantial length between the beginning of the Oathpact and the Epigraph, which is supported by no evidence whatsoever. For all we know it was a couple years, or even shorter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VinKohlin she/her Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 On 7/19/2016 at 1:32 PM, Drake Marshall said: Yes, I mean Zahel, I just totally blanked out how to spell it and got it wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argel he/him Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 14 hours ago, VinKohlin said: Yes, I mean Zahel, I just totally blanked out how to spell it and got it wrong Have you read Warbreaker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VinKohlin she/her Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 32 minutes ago, Argel said: Have you read Warbreaker? No not yet. I can't find it anywhere near me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argel he/him Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 It's also online for free. http://brandonsanderson.com/books/warbreaker/warbreaker/warbreaker-rights-and-downloads/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VinKohlin she/her Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 Awesome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrakeMarshall he/him Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 Wait it's free? I wish I had known that . It's a good book though. I don't think we should say any more about why you bring up warbreaker at this point but it is worth a read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegatorgirl00 she/her Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 On July 20, 2016 at 4:23 PM, Releaser said: That may help. Where exactly is this picture? I didn't see it on a scan of WoK and WoR, and I would like it for future reference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc12 he/him Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 19 minutes ago, thegatorgirl00 said: Where exactly is this picture? I didn't see it on a scan of WoK and WoR, and I would like it for future reference. If you have the hardcover for way if kings, it's one of the endpapers. Without the handy labels on this pic tho 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegatorgirl00 she/her Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 Thanks @Doctor12. Unfortunately, I have the kindle version, but I saved the image for future use The things you miss when buying e-books. Back cover summary, pictures… 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc12 he/him Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 18 minutes ago, thegatorgirl00 said: Thanks @Doctor12. Unfortunately, I have the kindle version, but I saved the image for future use The things you miss when buying e-books. Back cover summary, pictures… Exactly! I first read all of Brandon's books on my phone (Brandon isn't that popular in Malaysia yet), but now I'm trying to collect the hardcovers due to all the lovely extras included. And of course physical books are just better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VinKohlin she/her Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 26 minutes ago, Doctor12 said: Exactly! I first read all of Brandon's books on my phone (Brandon isn't that popular in Malaysia yet), but now I'm trying to collect the hardcovers due to all the lovely extras included. And of course physical books are just better. I hear you there. Strangely, I'm actually more likely to read a book and finish faster than I do with e-books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erklitt she/her Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 I'm beginning to think I need to get the hardcovers just for those extras, even though I probably will never actually read them. I imagine they must be rather bulky, and I like reading with the book held in one hand, which makes the kindle just ideal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc12 he/him Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 The Stormlight books define bulky XD. They're beautiful, gigantic monsters. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormgate he/him Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 Ironically, WoK has been used as a paperweight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyman he/him Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 On 7/22/2016 at 11:02 PM, Erklitt said: I'm beginning to think I need to get the hardcovers just for those extras, even though I probably will never actually read them. I imagine they must be rather bulky, and I like reading with the book held in one hand, which makes the kindle just ideal. Getting in shape enough to read one of the Stormlight books with one hand would be quite the exercise regime. Pity it would just end up giving you enormous hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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