Feruchemy: Steel

[Ferumancer]

Thanks for responding to my last post on my theories on iron. These are all of my theories with steel. I hope you like them!

Steel is a really cool feruchemical metal, being very overpowered since you can store your physical speed in it. However, this makes you a snail anytime you store. But what if there was more use you could get out of storing into steel? When storing you speed goes down, so does that mean that your breathing and blood flow goes down? That would allow you to live underwater for one hundred times the normal time, not bleed out nearly as fast, and also not starve to death for about an entire year! Kind of crazy, right?

My next theory is on tapping other metals while tapping steel. If you tap steel and go 2x as fast, then tap pewter, would your strength go down the normal 1x as fast? That would allow you to get more out of your other metals, effectively getting twice as strong, since you can spend twice the metal in that time and getting just as much done.

My favorite part about this is that one of them has to be true. If your body functions go just as fast as your steel, then you can not get sick, not starve, not drown, and not bleed out, but if your body functions happen independent of your steel, then when tap any other metals, they decrease slower(effectively). 

Do you think that this is correct, or am I absolutely crazy? Thanks for replying in advance!

[Yata he/him]

IF you have right, Steel would be able to be used to gain a little benefit in the fields you wrote...not so extreme. I will be really surprised if you would be capable of Storing 50% of your Speed without die.

Edited October 4, 2016 by Yata

[Eki]

The books seem to imply that speed is hard to store (maybe they outright say it? not sure), so like Yata says, there's probably something that stops you from storing much at any one time without major health concerns.

[Magestar he/him]

I do think that you could stay underwater longer with F!Steel, however, you can do anything longer with F!Steel, because you are literally living slower.  Same with tapping.  I think that you would be using Pewter just as much as normal, and would run out just as fast as normal, comparatively.  I wrote a paper on it.  

 Feruchemical Steel; Steelrunning, a Comprehensive Conglomeration. 

That's the link to it.  It explains my opinions on F!Steel, and has links in it for other articles on F!Steel.

[Ferumancer]

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The books seem to imply that speed is hard to store (maybe they outright say it? not sure), so like Yata says, there's probably something that stops you from storing much at any one time without major health concerns

I'm pretty sure that sazed says it, but I think it is in reference to how slow you move. Also, what health concerns would happen, do you think, if you were to tap steel a ton?

Edited October 4, 2016 by Ferumancer

[Darkness Ascendant he/him]

One quick question. Can you become a feruchemical savant?

[Ferumancer]

No idea at all. I wonder how that would work. Maybe you just get more efficient taps as you tap more?

 

[Eki]

2 hours ago, Ferumancer said:

I'm pretty sure that sazed says it, but I think it is in reference to how slow you move. Also, what health concerns would happen, do you think, if you were to tap steel a ton?

It depends on exactly what in your body slows down. What if many of your biological functions don't? In that case, slowing down could lead to lack of oxygen to the cells, or something. Especially in the brain, I'd wager, since mental speed is stored separately. In particular, what really happens if the heart slows down? Is there enough pressure to pump the blood around? If we don't know exactly how the speed reduction works, and how time actually flows inside the body, those questions are difficult to answer.

[Savanorn he/him]

17 hours ago, Eki said:

The books seem to imply that speed is hard to store (maybe they outright say it? not sure), so like Yata says, there's probably something that stops you from storing much at any one time without major health concerns.

Yeah Sazed outright states it. Either it TFE or WOA, maybe both. Although thinking about it I think that what he means is that storing meaningful amounts is hard. 

To clarify, unlike pewter which benefits from low multiplications speed really works best at much higher levels. 

If you spend ten hours at 50 percent strength and tap pewter, you have a good functional increase in strength, even for hours.

But if you spend ten hours at 50 percent speed, how much bulletime does that give you? Ten minutes? One minute? 

Not to say you need to bulletime, but that's the really impressive stuff. 

[Lord Tavash Shar]

The thing here is that Feruchemical steel leads to a bullet time effect while tapping so wouldn't the storing of it create a little of the opposite. Think the sloths from zootopia or cadmium, While storing it looks and feels like the rest of the worlds passing you by faster unless you were to tap something like zinc to counteract the mental effects.

[kenod]

On 17/10/2016 at 5:46 PM, Lord Tavash Shar said:

The thing here is that Feruchemical steel leads to a bullet time effect while tapping so wouldn't the storing of it create a little of the opposite. Think the sloths from zootopia or cadmium, While storing it looks and feels like the rest of the worlds passing you by faster unless you were to tap something like zinc to counteract the mental effects.

IIRC when Sazed stored steel he felt really sluggish, but his mind was still working normally. So I would guess that everything would still seem to pass at the same speed for you, but everyone (probably including you) would think you were moving in slow motion.

[Lord Tavash Shar]

4 hours ago, kenod said:

IIRC when Sazed stored steel he felt really sluggish, but his mind was still working normally. So I would guess that everything would still seem to pass at the same speed for you, but everyone (probably including you) would think you were moving in slow motion.

I always assumed that this was due to Sazed being a scholar and not a combat specialist meaning that he was not as trained with his Feruchemical steel. This seems like an ask Brandon. Something along the lines of "Dose storing large amounts of Feruchemical steel have an effect on the users cognitive perception similar to Cadmium?"

[Eki]

Physical and mental speed are two different attributes, stored in different metals. Mental speed is stored in zinc.

[Lord Tavash Shar]

On ‎10‎/‎19‎/‎2016 at 9:16 AM, Eki said:

Physical and mental speed are two different attributes, stored in different metals. Mental speed is stored in zinc.

In answer to that:

Interview: Oct 12th, 2015

Shadows of Self-Oak Brook, IL

Alterodent

With zinc, you get mental speed. How is that any different from steel, except without [physical] speed?

Brandon Sanderson

I think of the mental speed actually turning you into... Let's say you sped up your body, and you wanted to figure out some really complex equations.

Alterodent

So it lets you have intuitive leaps.

Brandon Sanderson

Right. It basically turns you into Ken Jennings. That's how I imagine it.

Kurkistan

So it's not like bullet time?

Brandon Sanderson

No... It'll bullet time a little bit, it certainly will, because you're thinking faster than everyone else, but it has applications beyond bullet timing. Bullet time is really-

Kurkistan

That’s steel’s thing?

Brandon Sanderson

That’s kind of steel's thing. They overlap on that one, because the steel thing... But yeah. It's more like "I think fast, but my reaction speed is not sped up".


Its worth noting that while looking for this I also found:

Interview: Sep, 2012

Cosmere Q&A - 17th Shard (Verbatim)

Thoughtful Spurts

If there's really no upper limit to feruchemy for practical reasons* , why didn't Sazed just fill steel at ridiculous levels for a few minutes in WoA, and then go back to running instead of leaving his steelminds there? Say, being some 100,000 times slower than he would normally be for about a minute. Meaning that a feruchemist should be able to fill a given metalmind in very short periods of time if you fill at a high enough rate.

Brandon Sanderson

The low end is bounded. You can pull out tons--but in filling, you can only go so far. I didn't ever explicitly talk about this in the series, but the implications are there. Not all have the same bounds, but in your example, the body just can't slow beyond a certain point. Think of it this way--you can only fill a weight metalmind with as much weight as you have to give. So you can become very, very light--but you only add to a time for doubling your weight. You can't make yourself 100,000 times slower and gain 100,000 times multiplication. You can give up all of your normal speed, and so when you tap that speed out you are at 200% for an equal period. (And that's a theoretical maximum; realistically, you can only go to down around 75% slower or the like.)

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Basing my thoughts around these there is a cognitive "slow down" while storing steel but its slight. because there is a bottom floor to storing that is no where near the upper reaches available to tapping.

[Revan Kholin he/him]

If what you said was true you would have to store it faintly as if you overdid it would eventually slow your heart rate to a stop leading to your death. I think tapping steel would increase muscle and bone speed instead of just internal speed which is what mental speed is for.