Argent he/him Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 2 hours ago, cometaryorbit said: I think Talenel is his real name. Talenelat is an altered version that the Vorin religion uses because they find symmetry holy. Same for Jezrien -> Jezerezeh, Nale/Nin -> Nalan, Ishar -> Ishi, etc. The 'Elin seems to be a title, I think. Fortunately, I confirmed this for you some time ago Quote QUESTION Can you confirm the real names of the Heralds for me? BRANDON SANDERSON Jezrien, Nale, Chanarach (nickname: Chana), Vedel, Paliah (nickname: Pali), Shalash (nickname: Ash), Battar, Kalak, Talenel (nickname: Taln), Ishar Source 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cometaryorbit Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 Ah - thanks. I never saw that one. I wonder if there's a connection between Vedel and the Veden people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treamayne Posted October 14, 2016 Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 On 10/6/2016 at 3:15 PM, Ardjet said: I was actually JUST about to post something to that effect, Argent. The way he's described, I always associated it with Shardblades and how they're wet with condensation after summoning. I believe the same type of thing happened to Taln. He was made to appear somewhere (perhaps in a fashion similar to Elsecalling?) and the transition left him covered in condensation, as does a Shardblade when summoned. I doubt it was similar to Elsecalling. When we see Jasnah appear, it is in a swirl of light and without condensation (or at least none is mentioned). However shardblades (and possibly Taln) appear, it is different from the way an Elsecaller steps from Cognitive to Physical. M:SH Spoiler: Spoiler Which seems, in appearance, much more like a portable version of the Wells as seen in Mistborn: Secret History when Wit Hoid uses the well to get at the cavern. Quote He walked toward the middle of the pool. Kelsier watched through eyes quivering with pain as Drifter held his hands out to the sides and closed his eyes. He stepped into the center of the pool, the deep portion, and vanished into the light. Quote The air in front of him blurred, as if heated in a ring near the ground. A streak of light spun about the ring, forming a wall five or six feet high. It faded immediately—really, it was just an afterimage, as if something glowing had spun in the circle very quickly. In the center of it appeared Jasnah Kholin, standing tall. Her clothing was ragged, her hair formed into a single utilitarian braid, her face lashed with burns. She’d once worn a fine dress, but that was tattered. She’d hemmed it at the knees and had sewn herself a glove out of something improvised. Curiously, she wore a kind of leather bandolier and a backpack. He doubted she’d had either one when her journey had begun. The description implies heat and light. If heat/light is a consistent theme of transition from Cognitive to physical, is it possible that mist/frost is transition from Spiritual to Physical? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tariniel he/him Posted October 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 1 hour ago, Treamayne said: The description implies heat and light. If heat/light is a consistent theme of transition from Cognitive to physical, is it possible that mist/frost is transition from Spiritual to Physical? This is a really astute observation. Is using an excess amount of Stormlight considered a transition from the Spiritual to the Physical, however? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The One Who Connects he/him Posted October 14, 2016 Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 6 minutes ago, Tariniel said: This is a really astute observation. Is using an excess amount of Stormlight considered a transition from the Spiritual to the Physical, however? Brandon has said that Kaladin has glimpsed the Cognitive Realm at one point, so it is definitely possible to slightly cross the Realms with large usage of power. I don't know about viewing the Spiritual though.. Using Atium is a glimpse into the Spiritual Realm. (Might be a special case because God Metal) The Metallic Arts also don't make a frost/burn/light, so maybe not the best example anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treamayne Posted October 14, 2016 Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 2 hours ago, Tariniel said: This is a really astute observation. Is using an excess amount of Stormlight considered a transition from the Spiritual to the Physical, however? Frost from surgebinding doesn't have to be the KR transitioning; it could simply be the Spiritual power of stormlight. In my mind, the effect is so small, though, that it would take excessive amounts of stormlight being used for frost to form (which is pretty much what happens). If this is the case couldn't the "misting" off of stormlight from a KR's skin just be the physical manifestation of stormlight returning to Spirtual? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marianmi Posted October 15, 2016 Report Share Posted October 15, 2016 4 hours ago, The One Who Connects said: Brandon has said that Kaladin has glimpsed the Cognitive Realm at one point, so it is definitely possible to slightly cross the Realms with large usage of power. I don't know about viewing the Spiritual though.. I think the scene is pretty well described in WoR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ardjet Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 On 14/10/2016 at 5:54 PM, marianmi said: I think the scene is pretty well described in WoR. Indeed. If I recall, it's when Kaladin first consciously uses Gravitation to do a Basic Lashing in the chasms. He mentions something about being able to see a strange sky, almost glimpsing something, and then he changes gravity's pull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marianmi Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 4 hours ago, Ardjet said: Indeed. If I recall, it's when Kaladin first consciously uses Gravitation to do a Basic Lashing in the chasms. He mentions something about being able to see a strange sky, almost glimpsing something, and then he changes gravity's pull. Also in WoR around the time fighting Szeth, he sees "the familiar strange sun" or something along those lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeskarKomrk he/him Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 Quote “The voice faded. For a moment, Kaladin thought he saw shadows of a world that was not, shadows of another place. And in that place, a distant sky with a sun enclosed, almost as if by a corridor of clouds.” Excerpt From: Sanderson, Brandon. “Words of Radiance (Stormlight Archive, The).” iBooks. Page 926 This is all the description we get the first time Kaladin changes gravity. @marianmi, I just looked through Kaladin's fight with Szeth at the end of WoR and didn't see any mentions of the Cognitive Realm or the strange sun. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marianmi Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, BeskarKomrk said: This is all the description we get the first time Kaladin changes gravity. @marianmi, I just looked through Kaladin's fight with Szeth at the end of WoR and didn't see any mentions of the Cognitive Realm or the strange sun. that must be the one then thanks for looking Edited October 17, 2016 by marianmi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joesleepsalot he/him Posted March 11, 2017 Report Share Posted March 11, 2017 (edited) Interestingly, Sanderson confirms that Taln is the guy at the end of WoK many times (http://www.theoryland.com/intvsresults.php?kwt='taln'). Although the same link has quotes of Brandon playing games about his identity, he seems pretty blunt about it in other quotes. My vote is that it's simply taln Edited March 11, 2017 by joesleepsalot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oversleep Posted March 11, 2017 Report Share Posted March 11, 2017 3 hours ago, joesleepsalot said: Interestingly, Sanderson confirms that Taln is the guy at the end of WoK many times (http://www.theoryland.com/intvsresults.php?kwt='taln'). Although the same link has quotes of Brandon playing games about his identity, he seems pretty blunt about it in other quotes. My vote is that it's simply taln Yes, Brandon talks about Taln... the thing is, he didn't confirm anything about Taln, we don't know whether he is who he claims to be etc. Brandon is especially evasive around this topic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZenBossanova Posted March 11, 2017 Report Share Posted March 11, 2017 I suspect, that it really is Taln, but his 4,500 years fighting Odium has literally burned away his Identity. He is the Herald equivalent of an unkeyed metalmind. Hoid certainly seemed to think it was the same person, and that counts more than what Brandon says, in a manner of speaking. But if his identity is burned away, what does that mean will happen to him? If you can't get Identity back, does that mean he is still a Herald? Or does that mean he can bond any of the spren? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joesleepsalot he/him Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 I reread the taln chapter just now.... I'm pretty convinced it's actually him, but his mind is trapped in torment still. (I think it was mentioned above) I'd equate it to someone in a coma. Perhaps he will snap out of it if the other 9 heralds come apologize for leaving him hangin lol. Any predictions on how that concersation is gonna go? He'll probably try to kill them all 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weltall Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 @joesleepsalot Edgedancer spoiler As of now, Nale is both fully aware that he's not all right in the head and getting worse, plus that Ishar (the guy who told the other Heralds that Taln could uphold the Oathpact on his own) was wrong about at least one thing. If there's anyone in a position to try and make amends with Taln that we know of right now, it's him. Actually, his view of justice might even demand he make the attempt if there was some relevant law in force at the time of Aharietiam that criminalized what he did and establishes some form of punishment. And yeah, I'm assuming that 'Taln' almost certainly is Taln and Brandon is being evasive because there's something specific he doesn't want to reveal yet. Kind of like how there's no particular reason to think that Renarin isn't a Truthwatcher other than Brandon not explicitly confirming it. Unless you count the pocket companion which... actually did if you take it at face value. xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oversleep Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 I think something may have gone wrong with Taln's rebirth (we know Heralds are reborn when killed and they're a variety of Cognitive Shadows). Something in the usual process of "Heralds coming back" stormed up. And it should have been Taln but it is not quite Taln. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis he/him Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 16 minutes ago, Oversleep said: I think something may have gone wrong with Taln's rebirth (we know Heralds are reborn when killed and they're a variety of Cognitive Shadows). Something in the usual process of "Heralds coming back" stormed up. And it should have been Taln but it is not quite Taln. This is the first rebirth after Honor was shattered. Maybe Tanavast facilitated the process somehow, and without that intervention Taln is... broken. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erai Sedai he/him Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 23 minutes ago, Calderis said: This is the first rebirth after Honor was shattered. Maybe Tanavast facilitated the process somehow, and without that intervention Taln is... broken. Ooo true true. Didn't think about this one probably being the first rebirth without honor. That could be a pretty important point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joesleepsalot he/him Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 9 hours ago, Oversleep said: I think something may have gone wrong with Taln's rebirth (we know Heralds are reborn when killed and they're a variety of Cognitive Shadows). Something in the usual process of "Heralds coming back" stormed up. And it should have been Taln but it is not quite Taln. Seriously, good point... perhaps the twist-to-the-twist is that the Heralds' abandonment of their oaths actually works in the long run because they didn't reappear like "taln" in as bad of shape as he's in?? They're getting worse but maybe (assuming they all rejoin the cause) they'll put their mental capacities and intact memories to better use than they could have otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZenBossanova Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 That is possible, but it would seriously annoy me. I want to see Taln (or the Herald formerly known as Taln) overcome and have something to show for all his time in hell. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikorr Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 I'm betting Taln will recover around the time he first meets Nale...and punches him in the face. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Wax he/him Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 THEORY: Taln is a title like "Herald of War". Different people assume the title in each desolation, if the old herald cannot return. Hence, all heralds have multiple names, e.g. Taln, Talenat'Elin, Naal, Nale, Nin, et al. It's not the same herald, but more like James 1, James 2 and so forth. Also, there is foreshadowing before the man calling himself "Taln" appears at the end of WoK. Hoid talks about the importance of coming first and how "his friend" is too late. Too late for what? You have to ask that. And my theory is that the man calling himself "Taln" is the second person to claim the title of "Taln". He may or may not have been the original "Taln" who was fulfilling the oathpact, but when he returned, he was the second person to call himself "Taln" and therefore not Taln, but just a man who called himself so. what do you guys think? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata he/him Posted March 27, 2017 Report Share Posted March 27, 2017 The Heralds are always themself. 10 Cognitive Shadows Who gain a physical manifestation periodically. For example the Herald Shalash is the actual daugher of the Herald Jezrien....No title, they are actual the same people over the eons Taln is a real proper name, as Nale too. Simply the Vorinism changed their actual name to fit their simmetry standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farnsworth Posted March 27, 2017 Report Share Posted March 27, 2017 I always thought their real names were symmetry, and they were made unsemetrical over time. Otherwise why would the Vorins love symmetry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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