ArborealEtymologist Posted March 20, 2017 Report Share Posted March 20, 2017 So I was stewing about this and found out Falconite beat me to the conclusion by a few years in http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/7493-something-holy-about-urithiru-and-shinovar/ But wanted to gather what we know and have a think: - Szeth says he can stand on the stones in Urithiru. - Shin are OK with using/touching metal as long as it’s soulcast, so might they feel the same about stone? - WoB says the distinction is cultural: http://www.theoryland.com/intvmain.php?i=1107#19 So I agree with Falconite, Urithiru is an immense soulcast structure or collection of structures. What think you? Furthermore, as such an old place can *still* be considered OK to tread upon by Szeth: - There must be no crem build-up. Or at the very least there is no crem build-up on the upper part of the tower. - Also there are glass windows facing east. Again, at least in the upper part of the tower. - Then there is partial confirmation that Urithiru is protected from Easterly storms (Everstorm) by mountain(s) and (possibly) protected from westerly storms (Highstorms) because of extreme height: http://www.theoryland.com/intvmain.php?i=1100#1 So Storms do not touch this place. Or at least they don’t touch the upper tower. Which leads me to my second point/question. Why is Crem "hallowed?" We know it is not completely natural. (http://www.theoryland.com/intvmain.php?i=1163#39) Is that all there is to it? The Shin are aware of its nature? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackYeti he/him Posted March 20, 2017 Report Share Posted March 20, 2017 (edited) 35 minutes ago, ArborealEtymologist said: - Shin are OK with using/touching metal as long as it’s soulcast, so might they feel the same about stone? I don't think the Shin revere metal the same way they do with stone. Rather it seems to me that they instead have a problem with mining metal since that destroys the stone which they do revere. From the Way of Kings' Rysn interlude: Quote Vstim waved and some of the guards brought over a heavy crate. They set it down and pried off the top, revealing its peculiar contents. Pieces of scrap metal, mostly shaped like bits of shell, though some were formed like pieces of wood. It looked to Rysn like garbage that had—for some inexplicable reason—been Soulcast into metal. “Ah,” Thresh said, squatting down to inspect the box. “Wonderful!” “Not a bit of it was mined,” Vstim said. “No rocks were broken or smelted to get this metal, Thresh. It was Soulcast from shells, bark, or branches. I have a document sealed by five separate Thaylen notaries attesting to it.” 35 minutes ago, ArborealEtymologist said: - There must be no crem build-up. Or at the very least there is no crem build-up on the upper part of the tower. I'm pretty sure that there is crem build-up. It's why Dalinar had problems getting onto the roof of Urithiru. From Chapter 89 of Words of Radiance: Quote The trapdoor refused to open, despite being unlocked. He’d oiled the parts. Why wasn’t it moving? Crem, of course, he thought. He summoned his Shardblade and made a series of quick cuts around the trapdoor. Then, with an effort, he was able to force it to open. The ancient trapdoor swung upward and let him out onto the very top of the tower city. Edited March 20, 2017 by BlackYeti 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArborealEtymologist Posted March 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2017 (edited) On 3/20/2017 at 2:16 PM, BlackYeti said: I'm pretty sure that there is crem build-up. It's why Dalinar had problems getting onto the roof of Urithiru. Bah, good point! Then in what way is it different from the stones on the rest of Roshar? Any ideas? Absence of Crem seemed the obvious answer - but I didn't recall the moment with Dalinar hacking his way up. Is Dalinar making an assumption? Did he instead have to dismiss a lashing on the door perhaps? And did so without realizing what he was doing? Edited March 23, 2017 by ArborealEtymologist Said Shinovar when I meant Roshar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farnsworth Posted March 20, 2017 Report Share Posted March 20, 2017 If it's a fabrial, and spren are trapped in fabrial stones, then it makes sense that there is lots of crem there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The One Who Connects he/him Posted March 21, 2017 Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 6 hours ago, Figberts said: If it's a fabrial, and spren are trapped in fabrial stones, then it makes sense that there is lots of crem there. You've lost me here. Why does Spren/Fabrials Stones = Crem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farnsworth Posted March 21, 2017 Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 If crem is shard poop, then where there are spren there should be crem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoolofwhool Posted March 21, 2017 Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Figberts said: If crem is shard poop, then where there are spren there should be crem. Crem is fairly likely to not be from shards since it existed before shards were on Roshar. Even if you're still extrapolating that crem is some physical manifestation of waste from spren, that makes no sense as then there would be the spontaneous appearance of crem indoors, which has never been observed. Edited March 21, 2017 by Spoolofwhool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Extesian he/him Posted March 21, 2017 Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 Yeah crem existed before the Shards arrived (Cultivation at least, so I'm assume all three), and is likened to Shard-poop rather than spren-poop. Quote QUESTION Is crem spren poop? Or at least… not literally, but something like it? BRANDON SANDERSON Yes, it’s more like Shard poop. (Somewhat unsure sounding? Quote LINDEL Crem and the Purelake on Roshar. Do they have any connection to Cultivation? BRANDON SANDERSON Both existed on the planet before Cultivation arrived. QUESTION But both are influenced by her now? BRANDON SANDERSON Yes, she influences both. I expect it's basically wasteproduct of investiture so it existed before because of Adonalsium's investiture but now it includes that of at least Cultivation, maybe Honor (if splintering doesn't prevent that). Probably not Odium as we believe he's confined to Braize. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainRyan he/him Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 2 hours ago, Extesian said: Quote QUESTION Is crem spren poop? Or at least… not literally, but something like it? BRANDON SANDERSON Yes, it’s more like Shard poop. (Somewhat unsure sounding? Award for the strangest WoB I will read today goes to this gem. Uruthiru could possibly have been soulcast if a bunch of Lightweavers/Elsecallers gathered to form it. Interesting idea! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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