Steeldancer he/him Posted September 13, 2017 Report Share Posted September 13, 2017 If you measured a shard, could you trap it like a spren? I mean, it probably wouldn't be easy to do. But what if you just... measured the amount of investiture? Or something like that. This stemmed from wondering about whether you could measure the Stormfather and trap him. The main issue here would be needing units and a tool of measure. What kind of tool could measure investiture? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Cole he/him Posted September 13, 2017 Report Share Posted September 13, 2017 The answer is no. The reason it works on spren is because they are ideas influenced by human thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafrigado Posted September 13, 2017 Report Share Posted September 13, 2017 12 minutes ago, Steeldancer said: If you measured a shard, could you trap it like a spren? I mean, it probably wouldn't be easy to do. But what if you just... measured the amount of investiture? Or something like that. This stemmed from wondering about whether you could measure the Stormfather and trap him. The main issue here would be needing units and a tool of measure. What kind of tool could measure investiture? Only if the Shard had no Vessel. Only "wild" Investiture (by this I mean Investiture that is not being controlled by anything/ anyone) can be imprinted on by people's thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steeldancer he/him Posted September 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2017 Ok then let's focus on the stormfather. Any ideas of how one could measure him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathrangking he/him Posted September 13, 2017 Report Share Posted September 13, 2017 Find him in the CR pull out a tape measure and size him up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafrigado Posted September 13, 2017 Report Share Posted September 13, 2017 38 minutes ago, Steeldancer said: Ok then let's focus on the stormfather. Any ideas of how one could measure him? Maybe before Stormwardens were around Highstorms were actually random. Then someone wrote down the dates of the past year's Highstorms and some random "pattern" in that got repeated over and over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steeldancer he/him Posted September 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2017 9 minutes ago, Hafrigado said: Maybe before Stormwardens were around Highstorms were actually random. Then someone wrote down the dates of the past year's Highstorms and some random "pattern" in that got repeated over and over. That's what I've been wondering about. The question is how much do their predictions effect the stormfather? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Cole he/him Posted September 14, 2017 Report Share Posted September 14, 2017 2 hours ago, Hafrigado said: Maybe before Stormwardens were around Highstorms were actually random. Then someone wrote down the dates of the past year's Highstorms and some random "pattern" in that got repeated over and over. No, the highstorms are actual storms. I saw an interestign theory that Roshar's three moons are what keeps them constantly moving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafrigado Posted September 14, 2017 Report Share Posted September 14, 2017 2 hours ago, King Cole said: No, the highstorms are actual storms. I saw an interestign theory that Roshar's three moons are what keeps them constantly moving. Well yeah they're "actual storms" but they're also magical storms. We also know that the Stormfather can make a Highstorm come whenever he wants, so we can be pretty sure they're all created by him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata he/him Posted September 14, 2017 Report Share Posted September 14, 2017 (edited) 9 hours ago, Steeldancer said: Ok then let's focus on the stormfather. Any ideas of how one could measure him? The Stormfather has already a great stability in the physical without a bond so I think he would be immune to those kind of things...I also believe it's something related to the weak self of the lesser spren and that every sapient Splinter would be immune @Hafrigado probably not "whatever he wants" but regardless he is the one who triggers them. Probably there are some requirerments for him to do (recovering enough Stormlight from the previous ones or something like that) Edited September 14, 2017 by Yata Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steeldancer he/him Posted September 14, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2017 4 hours ago, Yata said: The Stormfather has already a great stability in the physical without a bond so I think he would be immune to those kind of things...I also believe it's something related to the weak self of the lesser spren and that every sapient Splinter would be immune @Hafrigado probably not "whatever he wants" but regardless he is the one who triggers them. Probably there are some requirerments for him to do (recovering enough Stormlight from the previous ones or something like that) And you know this... how? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis he/him Posted September 14, 2017 Report Share Posted September 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, Steeldancer said: And you know this... how? He pretty clearly says "I think" and I happen to agree with him. If Nahel Spren (and storm pappy is arguable more powerful and less changeable then they are) could be lock in like the lesser spren, Shallan's drawing/memories of Pattern should have had an effect on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steeldancer he/him Posted September 14, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2017 12 minutes ago, Calderis said: He pretty clearly says "I think" and I happen to agree with him. If Nahel Spren (and storm pappy is arguable more powerful and less changeable then they are) could be lock in like the lesser spren, Shallan's drawing/memories of Pattern should have had an effect on him. But he's affected by the thoughts of Roshar... he talks about it. He's the shadow of tanavast, and because he's considered to be the storms, he IS the storms. He isn't immune. Maybe to a single person, yes. Perhaps you would need like the entire continent to measure him. Everybody says "oh look he's 40 meters high" and then he's stuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata he/him Posted September 14, 2017 Report Share Posted September 14, 2017 36 minutes ago, Steeldancer said: But he's affected by the thoughts of Roshar... he talks about it. He's the shadow of tanavast, and because he's considered to be the storms, he IS the storms. He isn't immune. Maybe to a single person, yes. Perhaps you would need like the entire continent to measure him. Everybody says "oh look he's 40 meters high" and then he's stuck. The Stormfather was the "spren in the Storm" well before Tanavast died (and by Eshonai's words probably from before the Humans arrived on Roshar). Probably the people's feeling affected it in his early days but once this big Splinter is set...It will took more than the people's belief to changing....As for example, merging with a Cognitive Shadow. By the way it's possible that Tanavast choose to merge with Rider of the Storm (I like to use the Listener's name for him before the merging to create less confusion) because the people already associate the Spren with the Almight...Not an automatic trasformation, but a deliberate choice. In the end, I agree with Calderis as it seems quite sure Shallan's drawn didn't stop the Cryptics from chase her, she managed to pull out Pattern with them but He was already bond with her so I will take it not as a general proof of something. PS: I wil not take Stormfather's world too directly as himself seems confused and it find hard to explain his status to Dalinar PPS: Sorry for the format, but I am writing by mobile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafrigado Posted September 14, 2017 Report Share Posted September 14, 2017 7 hours ago, Yata said: @Hafrigado probably not "whatever he wants" but regardless he is the one who triggers them. Probably there are some requirerments for him to do (recovering enough Stormlight from the previous ones or something like that) Sorry, I meant to mention that in my post. Anyway, I'm not really convinced about this theory either. I just like to try to prove how theories might be possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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