Through The Living Glass She/Her Posted September 2 Report Share Posted September 2 15 minutes ago, strmblsd said: I just finished camping Heyyyy welcome back! How was it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strmblsd he/him. (You lost the game) Posted September 2 Report Share Posted September 2 1 minute ago, Through The Living Glass said: Heyyyy welcome back! How was it? A lot of fun! I had no service so I wasn't on here at all.. I made a candle out of pine sap 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Through The Living Glass She/Her Posted September 2 Report Share Posted September 2 1 hour ago, strmblsd said: A lot of fun! I had no service so I wasn't on here at all.. I made a candle out of pine sap Pine sap? I didn't know you could so that. Cool! How do you make a candle out of sap? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vyzkel he/he Posted September 2 Report Share Posted September 2 2 hours ago, strmblsd said: A lot of fun! I had no service so I wasn't on here at all.. I made a candle out of pine sap Fancy, anything else cool? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomslug Doomslug Doomslug Doomslug/Doomslug/Doompity/Doo Posted September 2 Report Share Posted September 2 2 hours ago, strmblsd said: A lot of fun! I had no service so I wasn't on here at all.. I made a candle out of pine sap What! I didn't know sap was flammable. So I guess resin is flammable? wait hold on, my rosin is flammable?! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reisleK she/her Posted September 3 Report Share Posted September 3 Just as a heads up, I'm running on 2 hours of sleep so this might be incoherent. Or not. 9 hours ago, Immortal Platypus said: I would say that we think of them as wrong, not because of the pain that it causes others, but instead because our civilization's aforementioned roots in Judeo-Christian values influencing our beliefs in what is right and wrong. The reason society at large agrees about that has the same answer, in addition to the fact that when a society is built upon anarchy, or even just apathy for morality, that society will probably not survive. In addition to that, I think that humans are naturally bad, but that we do try to become more like God. Interesting. I would say that humans are naturally neutral, they have the choice to be good or bad. 9 hours ago, Immortal Platypus said: Earlier you stated, "I believe as society we set what what is moral and what isn't, not a higher power." So if I disagree with society, who is correct? Me or society? Which morality is correct? Further, on this point, you said, "I don't believe in objective morality." If objective morality does not exist, doesn't that mean that the Nazis and the Holocaust were not objectively bad? I don't know if there can be a true correctness, probably both. Since humans are flawed in the first place. Is objective morality something everyone believes in or what is objectively right? Because Neo Nazis would gladly argue that the Holocaust and Nazis were good, obviously I don't agree, especially considering my connection with it. (No direct relatives that I know of, but if you think about the bottle neckage... you get the point). I don't know if anything can be objectively true besides like math/science things that are factual. Though people can argue opinions as facts so I don't know. 10 hours ago, Immortal Platypus said: Earlier you said you don't believe objective morality exists. To clarify, do you believe that objective morality exists? What changes? Well, there is no longer an objective morality. In addition to this, I believe that without a higher power, we would not exist, so the point about everyone holding the same religious beliefs is moot. I think I confused myself, though I don't know what I was thinking there. Or using wrong terminology. 10 hours ago, Immortal Platypus said: Then nobody would care. If they knew there was no God, lawlessness would become rampant. There is no point in trying, cause existence is just going to end in a couple years anyway. If everyone knew there was a God, then everyone would follow him, not by faith, but because he had proved he exists, rendering his plan to redeem us useless. Depression wants me to not care, if I wasn't in a better place I wouldn't care. I don't think a lack of religion would make everyone the worst versions of themselves possible, see Jasnah. 10 hours ago, Immortal Platypus said: What about people who believe in polytheistic religions? They'd be wrong, plain and simple. If there are multiple higher powers than they'd be right and I'd be wrong (although technically I believe in multiple higher powers). I think there already is evidence of God, but many don't. I think society would change very much if we knew for a fact if there was or was not a God. Once again, I find your thoughts interesting. Not good or bad, just interesting. 10 hours ago, Immortal Platypus said: Yes. There are major themes across major religions. For example, murder and theft are sins in Islam, Judaism, and Christianity, as well as being wrong in Buddhism. I expect they are wrong in Taoism, Daoism, Confucism and more too. No, it means there are multiple incorrect interpretations of God, and one correct one. How do you know that your interpretation is correct? Out of genuine curiosity. 10 hours ago, Immortal Platypus said: Holy cow, once school resumes finding time to type these is gonna get a lot harder My school starts in two days, I moved in today, so yeah me too. Don't worry about it 5 hours ago, strmblsd said: I just finished camping What was your favorite part? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xiahida Posted September 3 Report Share Posted September 3 17 hours ago, strmblsd said: I just finished camping Have you ever toasted starbursts over a fire? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Immortal Platypus Posted September 3 Report Share Posted September 3 14 hours ago, reisleK said: I don't know if there can be a true correctness, probably both. Since humans are flawed in the first place. Is objective morality something everyone believes in or what is objectively right? Because Neo Nazis would gladly argue that the Holocaust and Nazis were good, obviously I don't agree, especially considering my connection with it. (No direct relatives that I know of, but if you think about the bottle neckage... you get the point). Objective correctness is what is correct, regardless of what people believe. For example, I would say that the Holocaust was objectively bad. Not that I think it is bad, I believe that it is bad, whether or not people agree with that. Quote I don't know if anything can be objectively true besides like math/science things that are factual. Though people can argue opinions as facts so I don't know. things can be objectively true, like the existence (or, hypothetically, lack thereof) of God. Either it is true, or it is false. There is no in between Quote Depression wants me to not care, if I wasn't in a better place I wouldn't care. I don't think a lack of religion would make everyone the worst versions of themselves possible, see Jasnah. Jasnah lives in a society that already has the foundation of religion to fall back upon, and I would argue that she isn't the best example anyway. Quote How do you know that your interpretation is correct? Out of genuine curiosity. Long story short? Because of personal experiences. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reisleK she/her Posted September 4 Report Share Posted September 4 Hi!! I kinda got attacked by like 40 boys during a chaotic capture the flag incident and am still dealing with that, so if this makes no sense I apologize 12 hours ago, Immortal Platypus said: Objective correctness is what is correct, regardless of what people believe. For example, I would say that the Holocaust was objectively bad. Not that I think it is bad, I believe that it is bad, whether or not people agree with that. Good point, I agree with that. I think you're starting to turn me onto objective morality a little. 12 hours ago, Immortal Platypus said: things can be objectively true, like the existence (or, hypothetically, lack thereof) of God. Either it is true, or it is false. There is no in between Also true 12 hours ago, Immortal Platypus said: Jasnah lives in a society that already has the foundation of religion to fall back upon, and I would argue that she isn't the best example anyway. So do we, I think we'd need someone raised outside of society with zero religious exposure, and see how that goes. But that would be hard to do and would take generations to eliminate society's influence. If its even feasible in this day and age. Plus you'd need multiple families to mitigate inbreeding. 12 hours ago, Immortal Platypus said: Long story short? Because of personal experiences. Fair. I think you make a valid and decently sound argument, I still don't believe in a higher power and I kind of feel like objective morality is a thing, but seems like it shouldn't? Like I feel like objective morality that aligns with my beliefs is putting mine over others, though objective morality is putting, I don't want to say good, but that's the best word I can think of, beliefs over "bad" ones, in my opinion at least. Let's hope I don't have a concussion!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Immortal Platypus Posted September 4 Report Share Posted September 4 9 hours ago, reisleK said: So do we, I think we'd need someone raised outside of society with zero religious exposure, and see how that goes. But that would be hard to do and would take generations to eliminate society's influence. If its even feasible in this day and age. Plus you'd need multiple families to mitigate inbreeding. Yes, and if one day reliable evidence came out that there was no God? We would no longer live in such a society. We would have no incentive to remain good. Think of Soviet Russia for example. They had no reason to stay good, and they suffered due to secret police and corrupt government officials, things which people would be much more willing to do if they don't believe it will send them to hell for all time. Quote I think you make a valid and decently sound argument, I still don't believe in a higher power and I kind of feel like objective morality is a thing, but seems like it shouldn't? Like I feel like objective morality that aligns with my beliefs is putting mine over others, though objective morality is putting, I don't want to say good, but that's the best word I can think of, beliefs over "bad" ones, in my opinion at least. Objective morality doesn't ever align with your beliefs. Your beliefs align with objective morality. And people whose beliefs don't align are wrong. It was objectively bad to gas millions of Jews. If you don't agree with that, you are wrong. If you do, congrats, your beliefs align with objective morality! That's how objective morality works. Of course, in many issues it's a little more complicated than that, but that's an easy example. Quote Let's hope I don't have a concussion!! yeah, they're not fun. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reisleK she/her Posted September 5 Report Share Posted September 5 12 hours ago, Immortal Platypus said: Yes, and if one day reliable evidence came out that there was no God? We would no longer live in such a society. We would have no incentive to remain good. Think of Soviet Russia for example. They had no reason to stay good, and they suffered due to secret police and corrupt government officials, things which people would be much more willing to do if they don't believe it will send them to hell for all time. I believe that humans, at least some of them, have the capacity to be good without a higher power as motivation. I do think that we can benefit from religion as something to guide us, I personally don't need/want? that, I have natural repercussions, as do most I suppose. 12 hours ago, Immortal Platypus said: Objective morality doesn't ever align with your beliefs. Your beliefs align with objective morality. And people whose beliefs don't align are wrong. It was objectively bad to gas millions of Jews. If you don't agree with that, you are wrong. If you do, congrats, your beliefs align with objective morality! That's how objective morality works. Of course, in many issues it's a little more complicated than that, but that's an easy example. Yeah that makes a lot more sense than whatever I was thinking last night, I was still a little spooked from the whole thing but yeah. I think you're continuing to make me believe that objective morality might be a thing. 12 hours ago, Immortal Platypus said: yeah, they're not fun. I don't have a concussion (woo!) Or at least I don't think I do, 24 hours later. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Through The Living Glass She/Her Posted September 5 Report Share Posted September 5 13 hours ago, reisleK said: I don't have a concussion (woo!) Or at least I don't think I do, 24 hours later. Yay! That's definitely good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Immortal Platypus Posted September 5 Report Share Posted September 5 13 hours ago, reisleK said: I believe that humans, at least some of them, have the capacity to be good without a higher power as motivation. I do think that we can benefit from religion as something to guide us, I personally don't need/want? that, I have natural repercussions, as do most I suppose. We do have the capacity, but that doesn't mean we'll actually do it. There are definitely good people that don't believe in God. My brother doesn't, but he's still a good person. I just think that he would be better and happier had he stayed in the church. I think that everyone needs religion, but many don't want it. I don't think that you need it to be good, but I think that in the end, you will need it. Without the guidance of religion (and God), our laws and natural consequences would be very different. Quote Yeah that makes a lot more sense than whatever I was thinking last night that's good, I like it when things make sense Quote I don't have a concussion (woo!) that's good 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NerdyAarakocra They/Them Posted September 6 Report Share Posted September 6 I just walked into this to get last post what is going on 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vyzkel he/he Posted September 6 Report Share Posted September 6 I believe they are talking about how ethical murder is. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Immortal Platypus Posted September 6 Report Share Posted September 6 21 minutes ago, NerdyAarakocra said: I just walked into this to get last post what is going on a conversation about ethics and morals. now give me my win back 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reisleK she/her Posted September 6 Report Share Posted September 6 51 minutes ago, NerdyAarakocra said: I just walked into this to get last post what is going on Haha welcome to the chaos, I think we finished the debate but this was sparked by the ethicality of hemalurgy, then the ethicality of murder. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Through The Living Glass She/Her Posted September 6 Report Share Posted September 6 ... Spoiler May we now discuss the ethical-ness of cannibalism...? Spoiler That's a joke Spoiler but like Spoiler I'm curious what y'all think. Spoiler mwehehe. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vyzkel he/he Posted September 6 Report Share Posted September 6 8 hours ago, Through The Living Glass said: ... Reveal hidden contents May we now discuss the ethical-ness of cannibalism...? Hide contents That's a joke Hide contents but like Hide contents I'm curious what y'all think. Hide contents mwehehe. The only time I would do it is for a last resort, but I wouldn’t kill the people, I would wait for them to die. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomslug Doomslug Doomslug Doomslug/Doomslug/Doompity/Doo Posted September 6 Report Share Posted September 6 6 hours ago, Vyzkel said: The only time I would do it is for a last resort, but I wouldn’t kill the people, I would wait for them to die. Ewww then your meat will be rotten and cold Spoiler THIS IS A JOKE 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unintelligenius he/him Posted September 6 Report Share Posted September 6 17 hours ago, Through The Living Glass said: ... Reveal hidden contents May we now discuss the ethical-ness of cannibalism...? Reveal hidden contents That's a joke Reveal hidden contents but like Reveal hidden contents I'm curious what y'all think. Reveal hidden contents mwehehe. I would do it as a last resort but to get rid of the ethicalness of murdering people to eat them before you go on any trip that can resort in cannibalism/being stranded you agree on what the order is of being eaten so then its not a fight and your not guilty of murder. (im pretty sure that's what they use to do for crews on ships) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vyzkel he/he Posted September 6 Report Share Posted September 6 Fun Fact: Cannibalism is actually legal in Idaho, but murder and grave robbing is not. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Through The Living Glass She/Her Posted September 6 Report Share Posted September 6 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Vyzkel said: Fun Fact: Cannibalism is actually legal in Idaho, but murder and grave robbing is not. Fun Fact: it's actually the other way around, haha. Idaho is the only state in which cannibalism is illegal. ... Edited September 6 by Through The Living Glass 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrechioSwordMouse he/him Posted September 7 Report Share Posted September 7 Good to know. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vyzkel he/he Posted September 7 Report Share Posted September 7 1 hour ago, Through The Living Glass said: Fun Fact: it's actually the other way around, haha. Idaho is the only state in which cannibalism is illegal. ... Dang it, I felt like something was wrong. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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