Ripheus23 Posted November 24, 2018 Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 ... an Aviar that had ingested an Allomantically viable metal, was imbued with Breath, and had bonded a spren? After being Spiked with a Spike that had gotten the powers of an Elantrian? *Sqwak!* Spoiler 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis he/him Posted November 24, 2018 Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 She'd get Stormlight from the meat. The end. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king of nowhere Posted November 24, 2018 Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 she'd also get hurt because the spike would damage her insides, but she can heal with stormlight, so not a problem. and she won't get hemalurgic powers from the spike because there is no intent behind it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embrisk he/him Posted November 24, 2018 Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 This is actually a good question. She can't draw investiture from crystals, but she SHOULD be able to draw extra investiture from invested meat. Kind of like burning a metalmind, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weltall Posted November 24, 2018 Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 6 minutes ago, Servillius said: This is actually a good question. She can't draw investiture from crystals, but she SHOULD be able to draw extra investiture from invested meat. Kind of like burning a metalmind, right? Wrong Quote Questioner [PENDING REVIEW] What happens if you eat an aviar? Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW] Normal things happen; you would not gain the powers. You would be a cruel person because aviar are not of animal intelligence. You would not gain the powers source Burning a metalmind only gives you something extra if you could access the Investiture within it on your own. Humans can't get any powers from the worms the Aviar eat. Lift isn't going to get anything special from eating an Aviar aside from whatever nutritional spike the extra protein from the worm grants. And she'd be a horrible person for doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embrisk he/him Posted November 24, 2018 Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 (edited) Uh, yeah, you wouldn't gain the powers. That doesn't mean you can't take assimilate the investiture, though. Note: he said that if you ate an aviar, nothing would happen. A normal human can't take investiture out of food they eat. Edited November 24, 2018 by Servillius 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weltall Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 Lift isn't doing that either, she's metabolizing the energy content of what she eats into Investiture rather than into sugars. She's not getting any nutritional value out of Breath stuffed into something, or a lump of atium, or any other form of technically edible Investiture you can imagine. Hence she's not getting anything that her supernatural metabolism can work on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king of nowhere Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Servillius said: Uh, yeah, you wouldn't gain the powers. That doesn't mean you can't take assimilate the investiture, though. Note: he said that if you ate an aviar, nothing would happen. A normal human can't take investiture out of food they eat. I don't think you can assimilate the investiture just by eating something invested. investiture needs specific conditions to be assimilated by a person. Heck, eating an invested object would probably be no less ridiculous than eating a battery and expecting to be energized by it. Just like your body is not geared to turn the chemicals of a battery into energy, but it can only assimilate a specific kind of biomolecules, so your body is not geared to take any investiture, but requires some specific forms of it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnnaSmith she/her Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 That's interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embrisk he/him Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 I don't know if any, or all of the different forms of investiture would work with aviar. The types of investiture mentioned are associated with humans. I don't know how or why an aviar would bond with a spren. On top of that, the soul signature difference, or whatever it's called, has a high probability of causing issues. (Like how you can't normally burn someone else's metalmind properly. this is just a wild theory, but maybe if lift slickened food, and then ate it, it would be something like stormlight compounding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weltall Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 3 hours ago, Servillius said: this is just a wild theory, but maybe if lift slickened food, and then ate it, it would be something like stormlight compounding. Given that she has to use Investiture to do that, even if she somehow could get back that Investiture from eating the food (which I doubt, because of how Brandon's said her metabolism operates) she'd probably only get back what she put into it, like the hypothetical example of an Awakener-allomancer burning a metal they'd stored some Breath in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ripheus23 Posted November 25, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 On 11/24/2018 at 0:13 PM, Weltall said: And she'd be a horrible person for doing it. What if it was an evil Aviar? An... Evilar? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embrisk he/him Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 4 hours ago, Weltall said: Given that she has to use Investiture to do that, even if she somehow could get back that Investiture from eating the food (which I doubt, because of how Brandon's said her metabolism operates) she'd probably only get back what she put into it, like the hypothetical example of an Awakener-allomancer burning a metal they'd stored some Breath in. But then again, it works with atium compounding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis he/him Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 9 minutes ago, Servillius said: But then again, it works with atium compounding. Which, as Weltall has been saying from the beginning, is not the same thing at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weltall Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ripheus23 said: What if it was an evil Aviar? An... Evilar? Sorry, that sort of question is above my pay grade. Better call in the Cosmere's greatest specialist on the subject: Nightblood. Nightblood: Stupid bird, can't even hold me properly, it can't be good or evil... 16 minutes ago, Servillius said: But then again, it works with atium compounding. Yes, but that only works if you already have the sDNA to use both allomancy and feruchemy and it makes use of a very specific set of circumstances built into those two magic systems (namely how the power comes directly from Preservation). Lift doesn't have a way to access any other form of Investiture beyond surgebinding so she doesn't have any sDNA to tell her body what to do with 'foreign' Investiture. Eating any Invested food isn't going to work for her because she has no way to get nutrition from it and if it's her own Investiture then it lacks the loophole that compounding uses to break the rules of feruchemy by substituting the rules of allomancy. Again, if she gets anything out of it at all, it would be whatever Investiture she put into her food before eating it. Not a net gain. Edited November 25, 2018 by Weltall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis he/him Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, Weltall said: Yes, but only if you already have the sDNA to use both allomancy and feruchemy. Lift doesn't have a way to access any other form of Investiture beyond surgebinding so she doesn't have any sDNA to tell her body what to do with 'foreign' Investiture. And she can't take in Stormlight by any means other than ingestion, so something being infused is irrelevant. Quote Laryyl (paraphrased) [Can Lift] get Stormlight from spheres like normal or if it's just from food for her. Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) She can only get it from food. Laryyl (paraphrased) Which [is it] related to her boon or her curse? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) RAFO. source Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embrisk he/him Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 (edited) Guys, I have some good news. I think I finally understand the way compounding God metals works. Or atleast, I understand it better. I think. Changing the topic of the discussion a bit here, but what if you poured stormlight into a metal, and then burned it? Would that be enough to compound? There are a few things here that might need to happen for you to be able to do that. I'm still thinking about it. Edited November 25, 2018 by Servillius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunbringer he/him Posted November 27, 2018 Report Share Posted November 27, 2018 Lift breaks laws all the time! She can just ignore logic and steal the power. Sorry Aviar! Lift is coming for you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ripheus23 Posted November 27, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2018 What if the Aviar itself became an Elantrian with Royal Feathers?!?! *Squawk!* Spoiler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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