Dawnbearer he/him Posted May 4, 2020 Report Share Posted May 4, 2020 I've only read a couple books (tWoK is the only SA book I've read thus far) so I'm a little early still, but can someone help me understand why Honor's magic system is still intact if he is dead? Like, what happens when a shard is shattered? Does it still sort of function but is unable to be picked up? I'm okay with a couple spoilers theory-wise, but if you are unable to answer this question without giving plot spoilers just say so, I can just read and find out like everyone else Thanks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honorless he/him Posted May 4, 2020 Report Share Posted May 4, 2020 (edited) I think tvtropes has a really good, completely non-spoilery explanation for this: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NoOntologicalInertia Those are things that the Shard has already created, they are their own thing now, they won't just disappear because their creator is gone Edited May 4, 2020 by R J edited for clarity 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earthexile Posted May 4, 2020 Report Share Posted May 4, 2020 The power that a Shard is made of can't really be destroyed, even if it's splattered all over the place. It all still exists and will be expressed somehow, somewhere. The Splintering just makes it so that the power isn't concentrated in a single incredible being anymore. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantus he/him Posted May 4, 2020 Report Share Posted May 4, 2020 For the most part the magic systems arent the direct result of the Shard's vessel themselves, it's sort of emerges from the interaction between the shard's investiture and the cognitive realm expression of the planet (and it's population) as a whole. The shards have immense power so they are able to modify and tweak things. And Roshar is a little bit of a special case in a few ways. Some of what's present there, such as the whole Investiture-in-Gems thing, predates the Shard's arrival. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karger he/him Posted May 4, 2020 Report Share Posted May 4, 2020 31 minutes ago, Quantus said: For the most part the magic systems arent the direct result of the Shard's vessel themselves, it's sort of emerges from the interaction between the shard's investiture and the cognitive realm expression of the planet (and it's population) as a whole Ahhh scadrial? Honor may be shattered but honor's investiture still exists in both stormlight and spren so they can be used. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantus he/him Posted May 4, 2020 Report Share Posted May 4, 2020 27 minutes ago, Karger said: Ahhh scadrial? Honor may be shattered but honor's investiture still exists in both stormlight and spren so they can be used. I think too much talk about Scadrial would be spoilers for the OP, but yah I stand by my statement there too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karger he/him Posted May 4, 2020 Report Share Posted May 4, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, Quantus said: I think too much talk about Scadrial would be spoilers for the OP, but yah I stand by my statement there too. MB spoilers Spoiler But no CR stuff happens at all in scadrial except for bronze copper and emotional allomancy and those are all still fueled by direct SR transfer. Edited May 4, 2020 by Karger 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantus he/him Posted May 4, 2020 Report Share Posted May 4, 2020 8 minutes ago, Karger said: MB spoilers Hide contents But no CR stuff happens at all in scadrial except for bronze copper and emotional allomancy and those are all still fueled by direct SR transfer. Im not talking about the effects of a given use of magic, Im talking about how the Focus of the magic system itself is determined for a given shardworld. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karger he/him Posted May 4, 2020 Report Share Posted May 4, 2020 12 minutes ago, Quantus said: Im not talking about the effects of a given use of magic, Im talking about how the Focus of the magic system itself is determined for a given shardworld. OK sure. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawnbearer he/him Posted May 4, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 4, 2020 4 hours ago, R J said: Those are things that the Shard has already created, they are their own thing now, they won't just disappear because their creator is gone Makes sense. But things like when Vin drawing power directly from the mists would no longer be possible if Preservation was shattered, correct? Since that is feeding off of the Shardbearer's power itself. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NameIess Posted May 4, 2020 Report Share Posted May 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Dawnbearer said: Makes sense. But things like when Vin drawing power directly from the mists would no longer be possible if Preservation was shattered, correct? Since that is feeding off of the Shardbearer's power itself. Most likely correct. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honorless he/him Posted May 5, 2020 Report Share Posted May 5, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, Dawnbearer said: Makes sense. But things like when Vin drawing power directly from the mists would no longer be possible if Preservation was shattered, correct? Since that is feeding off of the Shardbearer's power itself. Nope, on Scadrial the Mists would become a bit mindless but would likely survive the Shard's Shattering. Similarly, on Nalthis people would continue to Return, but the process would become systemized Edited May 5, 2020 by R J 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karger he/him Posted May 5, 2020 Report Share Posted May 5, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, R J said: Similarly, on Nalthis people would continue to Return, but the process would become systemized I thought those were controlled directly(although rich people gaming that system would make for a great story). However I agree that those with breath could continue to use breath. Scadrial spoilers. Spoiler 1 hour ago, R J said: Nope, on Scadrial the Mists would become a bit mindless but would likely survive the Shard's Shattering. Edited May 5, 2020 by Karger 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honorless he/him Posted May 5, 2020 Report Share Posted May 5, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Karger said: I thought those were controlled directly (although rich people gaming that system would make for a great story). However I agree that those with breath could continue to use breath. Scadrial spoilers. Reveal hidden contents Someone had asked Brandon about it before Spoiler Brandon has confirmed that, yes Spoiler Trae Previously, you've revealed that the mechanism that determines the Returned on Nalthis is a decision of a sapient entity... Is the determination by which the entity that selects the recipient of a Divine Breath to come back as a Returned predicated on that recipient fulfilling some purpose in the Physical Realm? Brandon Sanderson ...Basically they are asking... "Why does the entity that picks who Returns, why did they pick who they did?" And, your question kind of implies there's, like, specific tasks to fulfill. I'm gonna say, there aren't specifics, but there are certain things this entity is looking for-- Trae In the Physical Realm? Brandon Sanderson Yes. There are certain things that they are looking for. Now, sometimes-- let's just say this entity is not necessarily the most consistent of entities in the cosmere when it comes to making decisions like this. But there are certain things they are looking for. JordanCon 2018 (April 21, 2018) Leinton (paraphrased) If Endowment were killed, would the Returned still come? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) Somebody needs to hold the magic. If no one holds the magic, the magic will start to gain sentience. Interesting and bizarre things happen then, so I would say yes, but with the caveat that with whoever picks up the power or what happens with the power could end up changing that. Words of Radiance San Diego signing (March 4, 2014) Edited May 5, 2020 by R J no one "sssssked" Brandon 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawnbearer he/him Posted May 5, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2020 10 hours ago, R J said: picks up the power Oh, can a shard still be picked up after the Vessel has been killed? I thought that killing the Vessel shattered the shard and rendered it--but not the Shardworld or previously established investiture systems--sterile and unusable. But I guess not? I know I'm really getting into material for books I haven't read yet, but that's okay at a minor level. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honorless he/him Posted May 5, 2020 Report Share Posted May 5, 2020 Just now, Dawnbearer said: Oh, can a shard still be picked up after the Vessel has been killed? I thought that killing the Vessel shattered the shard and rendered it--but not the Shardworld or previously established investiture systems--sterile and unusable. But I guess not? I know I'm really getting into material for books I haven't read yet, but that's okay at a minor level. Shattering a Shard and killing a Vessel are indeed two different things, though Shattering a Shard usually kills the Vessel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawnbearer he/him Posted May 5, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2020 6 hours ago, R J said: Shattering a Shard and killing a Vessel are indeed two different things, though Shattering a Shard usually kills the Vessel Gotcha, thanks. The rest of my questions can wait for WoR and beyond 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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