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I'm not even sure if that is correct, because Navani has two perks that Ialai does not; she is the widow of the previous king AND mother to the current king. Ialai is just the widow of a highlord. They might be of similar situation, but I doubt the Alethi elite would suffer her the way they do Navani.

Sorry for not being more clear, this is what I meant. Do you have a WoB that proves Endowment can see the future? It's not in any of the books, so it would have to be WoB.

Do you have WoB for the bolded statement?

I do not think the number 5 is of importance on Nalthis, but is rather just a coincidence. If it were to be of Realmatic importance, there would only be 5 Heightenings. Instead there are, for certain, 10, and potentially more than that.

Thank you Twenty@20 for the quotes. Take an upvote. Perhaps the Realm interactions are bond specific. The Nahel bond, then, might follow a Conservation of Realms theory, while the bond between a Selish individual and their Seon, whatever it is called, might not. It is interesting that such a "law" would not be constant, though, if it exists, as we know Brandon enjoys employing science in his systems. I think this is a good theory. Given that the Nahel bond strengthens as more Oaths are stated, it would follow that the spren is being pulled more to the Physical Realm with each Oath. This also explains why Syl did not permanently die after Kaladin broke his oaths prior to saying his third Oath. I think you're on to something Moogle... This then begs the question, though, of why all dead spren are Shardblades specifically. There must have been some form of specialization within the Knights Radiant. I could understand a lack of archers, given how incredibly powerful they all were, but there are now Shardspears, or more importantly no Shardshields. Perhaps the spren must exert extra effort to take a form other than the blade, and as such, upon death, they revert to their default form. I think that this "coincidence" of a relationship so similar to one of the real world's scientific laws is too much of a coincidence to not have some grain of truth, given Brandon's habit of being very science conscious. The relationship might be more convoluted than we're thinking, though. The Rosharan-spren relationship, on the surface, seems to purely be an exchange between the Cognitive and Physical Realms, but it might include some Spiritual trade-off as well. As the Spiritual Realm seems invisible in the regular workings of the Cosmere, we have yet to see how the Nahel bond "messes with" the Spiritual Realm.

I...I've done it...I just gave Peter his 4000th reputation point...and I didn't even have to hunt him down, he was conveniently at 3999....yesssssssss.

Welcome! I love LoZ! Does your inspiration come from a specific LoZ game?

Ah! Yes, I do recall those details now that you point them out. Sorry about that. I'm still not completely convinced that the ship's sphere-like form is "sentient" in the way you've now defined it (thank you Kurkistan). From what we've seen of these objects' conciousness in the Cognitive realm, all they seem to know is their identity. When Shallan tries to argue, I do not recall the ship's responses being anything other than "I am a ship." No other counter arguments are given to Shallan's arguments. This makes me believe that this voice that the ship was given may merely be an identifier, like a label. If the ship says anything else, I'm afraid I must ask you to quote WoR again, and I apologize for that. The conversation with the Stick in the next Shallan chapter could also provide insight.

We know that everything has a Physical, Cognitive, and Spiritual aspect, but I do not think everything exists in all three realms at the same time. In WoR we have statements by both Syl and Pattern, if memory serves, that Spren live in the Cognitive Realm, and only a few ever make the decision to manifest in the Physical Realm. Once again, I do not own the book, so I cannot quote it. The example that comes to mind is Shallan soulcasting on the boat: Though adding spoiler tags is a courtesy that should be given, we are in the Cosmere Theories subforum, and so they are, by the rules, not necessary. The glaring problem with your theory, however, is our simple lack of knowledge of the Spiritual realm. It sounds good, but cannot really be proven or disproved until more is known. Do you have a quote/source for your second paragraph? The only other question I pose to you is, given your theory that the dead spren take their physical form again because they "feed" off their wielder's "essence," why do the blades form in the physical realm after the shardbearer dies? Gah, you beat me to it by a few minutes.

Moogle and I were having a discussion regarding Spren after getting off topic in a thread about Nightblood...So I'm making this post to move the SA discussion out of Warbreaker's forum. Though it doesn't need to be said in this forum, spoilers ahead! My theory is this: Spren, though more specifically Radiant spren, do not fully move from the Cognitive Realm to the Physical Realm. Instead, they're bodies are anchored in the Cognitive Realm, and they "stretch the void" to also appear in the Physical Realm. This is supported by a few scenes in WoR. First, Shallan soulcasting on the ship. Here, she travels to Shadesmar to convince the ship to sink. In this scene, Pattern is in the Physical Realm as his usual...ball...of squiggles. Upon arriving in Shadesmar, it turns out that Pattern has a full and developed body, of which the "ball" is merely his "face". This supports my claim that the Radiant Spren are anchored in the Cognitive Realm, as Pattern's much more developed body resides in Shadesmar. Second, Shallan attempting to soulcast fire on the beach. Here, she travels into Shadesmar, but rather than fully travelling as before, Shallan attempts, and succeeds, in only partially making the transition. Once again, Pattern is in Shadesmar in his developed body. More importantly, though, Pattern is also in the Physical Realm on Roshar. Both Pattern and Shallan are in both the Cognitive and Physical Realms, at the same time. This then supports the claim that the Radiant Spren "stretch the void." More importantly, when combined with the first scene, and the fact that Pattern's Physical Realm body is much less detailed and developed than his Cognitive Realm, the conclusion that they are anchored and "stretch the void" does not seem so ridiculous. Lastly, all the scenes in which Kaladin reflects on how Syl has a tangible presence in the Physical Realm, but cannot exert much force. If I recall correctly (I do not actually own WoR to pull quotes for any of these scenes), Syl's strongest force exerted is when she causes a slight breeze. She also has a very light weight whenever she situates herself on Kaladin. This further convinced me that they "stretch the void", for if they were fully moving to the Physical Realm, I would think they would be more tangible. In my discussion with Moogle, we were also discussing the nature of shardblades and why they disappear/where they disappear to. My first thought was that they disappear to the Cognitive Realm, as since the spren's bodies are anchored in the Cognitive Realm, when they die, their bodies can no longer support the "muscles" that allow them to "stretch the void." This would be similar to how, if you are holding a pen when you die, post death you can no longer work your muscles, and you inevitable drop the pen. The shardblade's owner, then, can cause the dead spren to "stretch the void" and appear in the Physical Realm as a shardblade. I then realized, though, that upon the shardbearer's death, then, the spren should revert back to the Cognitive Realm, and as such the shardblade would not be there for a new individual to bond with it. That's the extent of the conversation so far. Feel free to chime in!

Earth societies tend to not define self defense as murder either. Murder and manslaughter are different. I would argue a socially unadvanced society would think as you say.

Now that's just unsportsmanlike....

I can agree with your statement, however I believe most 3rd degree murders, being impromptu, are acts of passion. As such, one would have to antagonize an individual in some fashion, for an extended period of time, before said individual reaches the breaking point and acts out of rage to murder. So unless I find myself in such a situation, I would never be in danger from Adolin. I say believe, however, because I have failed to find actual facts about 3rd degree murders proving my belief. Though I agree the connotation of murder is a negative one, the denotation is still accurate. Interestingly, when looking up the definition of murder to source, there are numerous definitions. Some define murder as the definition of 1st degree, while others don't. Moreover, I would argue that, at least in Adolin's case, the situation does warrant the use of the negatively connoted term "murder." Adolin, enraged, lashed out and commenced to beat Sadeas. During the struggle Adolin, in his blind rage, stabbed Sadeas. To make matters worse, the killing was extremely brutal. He didn't just stab Sadeas in the usual locations of chest/stomach. He jammed the knife into Sadeas' eye socket. I would say that the whole event, being as brutal and bloody as it was, does indeed to deserve to be called murder. Adolin's intentions, to an extent, may have been pure-ish in the fact that Sadeas had already attempted to kill him and Dalinar, and claimed he would try to again, but that should still not qualify as an excuse to savagely attack and kill the man. Had Sadeas initiated, however, the story would be completely different, as it would be self defense. The other aspect that I feel justifies calling Adolin's crime murder is the fact that Adolin, indeed, had planned on killing Sadeas. He did not, however, intend to kill Sadeas in this manner, which causes the crime to be 2nd degree at worst. One cannot claim it manslaughter, however, for those thoughts and plans to kill Sadeas existed. So, at the very least, the term murder applies legally. As for Jasnah, I too find "murder" to be too negatively connoted. One could easily argue that, even though she planned on killing those men, she did wait for one of them to initiate an attack before going on the offensive. As a result, her crime was not 1st degree murder, but rather self-defense manslaughter. The question then becomes whether she needed to kill the others then. If the answer is no, she is still guilty of murder. In addition, I agree with Jasnah's logic behind killing those men, but due to the nature of Adolin's crime, there was no logic, though I do feel Sadeas needed to be dealt with. Murder just was not what I had in mind.

Perhaps this murdering of Sadeas is simply further evidence pointing towards Adolin becoming a Dustbringer then.

Awaken a pen with the command to be mightier than the sword. Laugh mercilessly as I win duel after duel. Mwuahahaha.

It hasn't been said yet, so I'll do the honors. The difference between the two situations is that Adolin committed 3rd degree murder. He found himself in the situation, with having planned on killing Sadeas. Jasnah, on the other hand, committed 4 counts of 1st degree murder. She premeditated, executed the premeditated plan, and had malicious afterthought in justifying the murders to Shallan. I think we can agree that 1st degree is worse than 3rd degree, and this might be what Brandon was hinting at in the WoB. It should be noted, though, that one could argue Adolin committed 2nd degree murder rather than 3rd, for he did intend to kill Sadeas, just not in the brutal, horrifying way that he wound up doing so. I would say 2nd degree is still not as bad as 1st degree, but it does make the two situations a bit more similar. As a side note, has anyone brought up the possibility of Adolin's murder causing him to no longer be eligible to be a KR. By that, I mean that "his" spren had not found him yet/was not matured yet to introduce himself/herself, and Adolin killing Sadeas makes any future oath of Life before Death invalid, and so he loses his abilities prior to him even getting them? Just a thought.

I presume the OP intends for "shardblades" to refer to the dead spren. In this case, I would agree Nightblood is "stronger," as it becomes easier to kill with. If you mean Radiant shardblades, though, I would definitly argue the Radiant shardblade is better. Having the ability to hold any weapon/shield you desire completely trumps Nightblood's perks.

I've got a theory brewing in my head right now, and am trying to find info about various things, but my problem is I'm not so great at searching for Cosmere info, specifically sifting through the many WoBs. So I've got some questions to which I cannot find the answers for on Coppermind. As a side note, if anyone has any tips or tools for locating WoBs that would be much appreciated. First Question: Has anyone survived having their spiritweb hijacked through Hemalurgy? More specifically, has their survival been documented to the extent that we can draw conclusions about the side affects of Hemalurgy (physical changes other than the gaping hole, attitude changes, etc.)? Second Question: Has Brandon confirmed that color can return to an object after having it drained for Awakening? Thank you in advance.

Exactly what I was thinking. The issue is, the two Rhyshadium we've been given extensive exposure to are Gallant and Sureblood, both of which are male if I'm not mistaken. The only other Rhyshadium we are informed of belongs to one of the other highprinces, with no name or gender specification. If Brandon has specified that the kandra is female, my bet is that she's in female form when we see her.

I didn't see this among the list of questions on the first page (so I hope this is updated), but here's a question about Shadesmar: In WoR, Pattern tells Shallan that, in Shadesmar, the land and sea are the opposite as they are on Roshar. Is this the same for all worlds (Nalthis, Sel, etc.)? If so, What is the Shadesmar equivalent for space (i.e. If someone in a spaceship, no where near any planets, were to travel to Shadesmar...)

That actually makes sense. Stamping on Sel worked that way. Assuming that to be true then, as it would work similarly to another Cosmere magic system, if one were to alter an object's color, then awaken it, which color would the awakening rely on? Changing an object from brown to vibrant red, would awakening make use of the brown, or the red? I suppose it would depend on the cognitive identity, so the vibrant red would be used, assuming soulcasting was used for the color change. That's a powerful combination if a soulcaster teamed up with an awakener. So then what would happen if the color were altered due to Stamping, a temporary effect? I presume Stamping is not based around altering an object's cognitive identity, but is rather more like lightweaving. That does not explain, though, why Stamping alters the history of the object, as that points to an alteration of the cognitive identity...

That goes back to the previously posed question of whether or not a color has a cognitive aspect to it. I would think you could soulcast an object and convince it that it's color identity were different, and as a result the oak wood, as you suggested, could indeed be orange. Another question, then: If one were to soulcast a leaf, and turn it blue, would it die? The green coloration is due to the chloroplasts within the plant cells, allowing for photosynthesis. Would altering the color remove the chloroplasts and kill the plant, change the color of the chloroplasts, or would the leaf not change color?

Why would a color on one planet not see itself as the same as on another planet? Given that the physical realm is all one connected "object," wouldn't all instances of the color white think itself to be the same thing? Just like all tables thinking that they are, indeed, just a table (unless convinced otherwise, of course). I suppose it would change from object to object, as convincing one table that it is not a table does not suddenly change all tables. That then begs the question as to whether or not colors are included as having such an opinion. When Shallan casts on the ship in WoR, the ship does not identify itself as a brown ship, or a wooden ship, but rather just a ship. As such, I would imagine a white substance would qualify itself as the substance that it is, but not as being white. I'm not certain though, as Shallan was not attempting to get the ship to change color, for the ship may have claimed to be a color had that been what she was trying to change. I guess I just don't see any reason why various white objects would define their colors differently, assuming they were indeed the same shade of that color. Edit: Gah, you beat me to it.

Me too.

As it stands, Warbreaker, then Elantris. I thoroughly enjoyed Mistborn, but the second book and third book just didn't have the same passion as those two, so the story just isn't as good to me. I don't include any of the Stormlight Archive yet due to the story not being finished. I don't like judging until it all unfolds. ...I already ate the cookie...