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I wouldn't call Wayne a Sword. Wax is personification of Ruin, he brings balance by killing. Wayne on the other hand always restrained himself from killing, mostly never used a gun, used only canes when fighting, he even stoped Wax from killing the last group of guards on top of the Tower in Bilming, and his final act was to safe, protect and preserve city of Elendel. Wayne is not a Sword, he's a Shield of Harmony. He brings balance by preserving. Both Sword and Shield allows Harmony to act as he wants without struggling with his opposing intents.

The world ended, and Shallan was to blame.- Words of Radiance, Chapter 10 That might be true. But losing or winning contest of champions will not cause any more damage to Roshar, war will end either way. But draw or stoping the fight on the other hand. I do think that Dalinar might intervene in a fight, if he won't be a champion, or refuse to fight if he is, both would put him in Odium's hand, and that would cause damage, or even death to Stromfather, ending the world in endless rain, as many Death Rattles predict this. So Dalinar would "destroy us". I've written more about in the topic "Loophole in the contract". However it might be that someone would manage to fix this by the end of SA 5 by releasing BAM, restoring Stormfather and thus "redeeming us". And who is trying to find BAM to prevent her from falling into hands of Ghostbloods? Shallan! She will save us.

They are CS, Kandra are not. I do agree, this disscusion is fun and entertaining for me too. Don't get me wrong, it's not about Nightblood or changing assumptions we've made, I just feel that we've discussed all we could, and there are just small bits that could be added. Like I'm pretty sure, that if Roshar were to invade Basin, Malwish would join - on the invaders side. The tensions after TLM were left at just too high level for them to just watch. There is also other thing that we've barely touch - differences between those two planets. And that would be the most significant factor in that war, as Roshar and Scadrial are too unlike. The beautiful Coppermind provides us with every number about Roshar that is important - I was ready to calculate that myself. Mass, radius, gravity etc - perfect. I wish every planet page had numbers like that. The only number missing is the oxygen level, but we could assume it's similar Earth's around 350 million years ago - 35% - the biggest it's ever been on Earth. Scadrial is considered to be very Earth-like, 1 Cosmere standard. That would mean that every Rosharians would have to face 40% bigger gravitational acceleration (6.86 m/s2 vs 9.81 m/s2) and also around 40% lesser oxygen levels (35% vs 21%). And that is a huge thing. Everyone would be 40% heavier, and they would feel being constantly crushed by gravity, without oxygen they need so much. It would be like climbing up mountain 4000 meters high while carrying almost half of your body mass in addition (and that's without including equipment). To say it would be exhausting is an understatement. It would make them unable to fight as they're are now totally off balance, with much heavier weapons, shields and armors, gasping for breath all the time. Logistics would be completely off, as everyone can't carry what they used to, and each box is much heavier than on Roshar. Using animals from Roshar would be an abuse, as they would suffer the same way. This alone would be an nightmare, affecting everyone, even Radiants. Radiants would have to heal constantly to compensate lower oxygen levels, and muscles exhaustion or bone defects as they are forced to uphold 40% more weight than they used to. But the feeling of being crushed by gravity would remain. Only Windrunners and Skybreakers (Szeth) can manage this but they might face some other problem. On Roshar they use lashings using Roshar's gravitational acceleration - here on Scadrial it's speculative if they would instinctively switch to Scadrial's one, or still try to use Rosharian acceleration value for lashings, which would require retraining and would cause lots of mistakes and problems for Windrunners. But regular people, which are the vast majority of the invasion force, won't have such luxury. Soldiers would deal with it better than others, as they are trained and have much stronger muscles. But all camp workers, craftsmen, women and children would suffer immensely, as their body is just not prepared for this and their would lack strength to uphold their own mass. Combined with oxygen deprivation, this would cause damage to body, muscles, bone, heart and brain. Even horneaters would have troubles in that environment, they would tolerate oxygen levels, but not gravity. It's not that encouraging when most of your invasion forces suffers as soon as they place their foot on Scadrial even without enemy in sight. That would be true nightmare.

I would say it's similar to how Wax almost died in BoM. Both had their bodies broken and unable to live any further, but they were repaired fast enough so their souls could go back to it - and that's what Nale's fabrial did, heal Szeth's body before his soul went to the beyond. His afterimage is not visible to everybody but to those with sufficient Investiture or connection to the Cognitive Realm. It may be that this fabrial reconnected his soul to his body or strengthen that connection when it was weakening - it was not perfect. Or just that his body stoped working, but it still takes time for brain to stop as well, so when body got repaired, brain was still alive.

Each spren is different and easily recognisable. Kandra were human once, so their souls might be very close to human soul. He would consume exponentially more and more, he won't be safe. He would have to have Dalinar feeding him all time, but even that at some point might not be enough. Not to mention extreme pain it causes to use Nighblood. And you've got one city of 5 mil people to destroy, with diameter of around 15 km. That's long and painful trip. Do you think it's just to vaporise buildings, houses, factories full of innocent people, harming and killing them in process? It's just to kill non-combatant people? It's just to cause harm on civilians? It's just to causing hunger, homelessness and destruction of private properties? We changes premise to better predict what can be done and be realistic. United Roshar and Scadrial is not possible. We don't know what Malwish can do, what technology they have, we know almost nothing about them, so it's hard to place them in that conflict. We know more about Fused and Parsh, but still there is a lot of things we don't know about them, only 7/9 types of Fused were presented to us. On both worlds both factions are either in war or are hostile. Do you think that was not reasonable to do? We have hard time speculating what Roshar can do in 10 years. The only reasonable Ghostbloods interference I talked about was to pass information about incoming attack, and maybe some more about enemy Scadrial will face - despite that the main Ghostbloods goal is to protect Scadrial, so it's unreasonable to exclude them from active protection. Yet I think their unique skills change nothing in bigger war picture. I don't know if you noticed but I tend to avoid talking about what metalborns can do with their fancy abilities, and focus more on what regular people, tactics, war effort and logistic can achieve instead, as that's more important in war than useful but extremely limited and rare powers. The same way I treat Roshar, but with little bigger role of Radiants. It is reasonable to bring in Nightblood? Yes, he's part of Dalinar's coalition, in hand of Skybreaker, who would most likely be part of invasion force. So it's reasonable and logical to include him. But does it make sense for us to bring him in? It's Nightblood, nothing can counter it, it killes Vessels, chops off parts of Honorblades, collapses perpendicularieties, and consumes souls for breakfast. The only downsides to Nightblood are morality of its usage and his constant need for Investiture. So yes, he can be used the way you propose, with breaks so wielders won't get consumed. It can't be countered. It's Nightblood What is the point of further discussion then? I could counter everything you say with H-T bomb, and you could counter with Anti-light bomb, and then we are in the middle of nowhere, achieving nothing. To be fair, I feel like we're slowly reaching end of discussion. We talked about how different powers could be used in this war, how they could be countered, how they could be protected from countering them etc. Less about general tactics, strategies and logistics in this war. Still a lot of fun and weird thnigs can happen in that war. We reached no conclusion or agreement, that's fine. I do agree that Radiants are powerful and hard to fight with, and they will be spearhead of Rosharian advance. Roshar is a formidable opponent, but only Radiants are saving them. Yet I hope that at least, with the assumptions we've made, I have shown that Scadrial can do damage, can be very hard to conquer and control. They can do a lot and have a real chance to defend themself successfully, which would be very difficult to do. Without those assumptions I still think that any interplanetary invastion for those two is impossible logistically and militarily in current time. Maybe within next eras it will change.

No. Adolin was my favorite PoV in RoW. He turned our eyes away from people with god like powers, and grand war theater to more grounded, non-powered person, with regular problems, like diplomatic mission, saving his marriage, dealing with his father's past etc. Adolin is the last non-powered character who still is PoV(exept Navani who become Bondsmith) and I think that's important, as we can easily forget how Desolation is viewed by regular people. We already lost unique Interludes that used to show us new parts of Roshar with new characters. Adolin gives us this opportunity as he also is good, social and empathetic person, thinking and taking care of people weaker and lower than he is. Which was greatly shown during Battle of Thaylen. He has flaws, he is spoiled and entitled, but he's not behaving like that. He chooses to be nice to everyone, to make them laugh, have fun together, and help those who need this. He is a good person who knows what are his responsibilities, what is his position, and what can he do with what he got for betterment of others. He accepts his lower position in new world with Radiants and Surges and still tries to make a difference. And he does not have anger issue. How would you face someone who betray you and left you to die on a battlefield? Someone who betray your best friend Brigdeboy? Someone who hurt your friend and used her as a tool? How would you face your father who killed your mother? Adolin has every right to be angry and he still hold back quite well. But I agree, I was hoping for some repercussion for killing Sadeas. Moreover his duels and fight scenes are just great. Fight with Tukari was perfect.

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I reread first RoW Venli chapter, she can tell this because Fused's souls are different from Listners's one, and she was coming from above. And your WoB you posted few days ago about recognising differences in souls mention that it's a skill to learn and master. In WoK Rysn "set the fabrial on people in the caravan" (translation) and doesn't specify more. But both, people already in range, and setting each person/group specifically are highly impractical in a war camp with lots of people moving in and out of range of each fabrial every moment. Tbf I notice that regular armor is just rare in Brandon's books. Occasionally we got a breastplate, like one Kaladin was supposed to get in WoR and never used it (or mention it), or the one officer wore during battle on the Tower (WoK), that somehow did not protect him from cut through stomach (the very thing it is supposed to do). I got the impression that Rosharians walks into the battle in uniforms only. Picking up a weapon is like 1 minute max, putting on an armor and fitting it in is very time consuming. The code mostly applies to officers, but regular footman have to be always ready for battle. That means wearing an armor, or at least it won't be a wierd thing to wear an armor in a war camp, during active war, with battles happening "close by". Yes, singers are not part of that war, impersonating radiant is not necessary, but possible by bonding a spren. The only thing kandra from Roshar needs to do is to teach other Kandra about Roshar and languages. Khem Khem professor Snape: You can use it as a source of information at least. Nightblood is Nighblood, there isn't much to do about it, but it would devour its user faster than it would make significant damage to Scadrial. Like very fast, few minutes at best. Buildings don't offer much Investiture for Nightblood. Unless you are willing to sacrifice thousends of your people to be fully consumed by ever-hungry-evil-killing-soul-consuming-piece-of-happy-metal, than yes, go ahead. How long it will take for a people next in line to stab their officers with Nightblood instead and run away? Edit: Or Scadrial needs to outlaw any foreign invasion, good luck using Nighblood in hands of Szeth.

It is a big advantage. But Venli was able to see only in close proximity. Covering the entire camp of tens of thousands closely packed man and spotting one Kandra in or without an armor would be extreamly hard. And additional question - how easy is to spot kandra by soul? Did we see that in SH? Except by spikes. And does Alerter fabrials can be set to disregard all Rosharsians or just those who were in range of it when activated as we saw in WoK (the only place where it was used?)? Sensitive senses can prevent falling asleep (or unconscious like Mistborns are doing with burning tin) but that would not be a great experience. Yes, because regular soldier or worker would get invited to a feasts full of nobility. I meant stories about allomancers controlling/hurting kandra, before TenSoon told Vin, were absent. I think so, I might be wrong. Never? And what about someone that is carried by misting burning atium? But you are right, they would have to burn metals constantly or in the moment Renarin is having visions - not a great chances. I did not think about it. Right, I focused too much on redheaded people. But kandra is already on Roshar:

He have guards, he had attempts on his life, but that doesn't mean that Scadrial won't try it. Only one successful attempt is needed to win the war. And the supply between main camp and frontlines? Frontlines and guard posts? There is whole bunch of places needed to be supply and it all goes through Dalinar and only/mostly him. And Kandra eats people, so it won't be a problem for them to take on a character. 1. I don't know to be fair, but there are at least 2 bleassings that helps with that - Blessing of Presence and Blessing of Awareness. So they can manage it. 2. They follow the Code, and are prepare to battle anytime. MaLaan ends on Roshar, so she will learn their language and learn others. And wouldn't translation medalions be of use here? With such strong Rosharian presence the groud might get connected to Roshar, allowing them to use medalions. What do you think about it? So it's "possible" as it's connection manipulation (which applies to anything the regular way), the same way allomancers can do it, which was forgotten utill Vin discovered it by connecting dots. Just because something is possible doesn't mean they will know about it and attempted doing that. Maybe not foil but thin metal plates, properly made and silenced with material would be enought to look like sleeping or living in a camp. And there would be tens of thousands of people in a camp, with whole bunch of materials, building (visible in CR not like in Roshar), metal, armor etc - spotting a Kandra in all of this will be extremely hard even if he wouldn't be that careful. But Renarin's visions works different than Kelsier fighting. And I'm talking about a very little effect. It's not hard to imagine electrum misting seeing himself being pushed on the ground, and acting before it happens by turning around, catching someone else who triped and felt and making a long lasting frendship with him. That will have an effect on Renarin's abilities. We saw that in RoW, things and people close to Renarin, are hard to be seen by Odium because Renarin sees the future and acts, changins it, which comes in conflict with every little detail in a long run. Just avoiding hole in the ground that would make misting triped changes the future. Butterfly effect.

How is Nazh's gun working? Out of topic. Yes, during battle he's on the back, he can be in CR. But my point is he's not a guy that would spend the entire war in CR, he wants to be with soldiers, with officers, with camp workers, he wants to be with them, inspect camps and armies, interact with people, boost morale with his presence. And that's when he's vulnerable Not as his escort, but supply escort. And kandra doesn't need to sleep and take off his armor. How would Bondsmith take control over kandra? Why would they guard place where Dalinar is? Supplies has to be delivered from CR, gems to Dalinar, that requires workers not Radiants. And kandra-spy might get reassign to CR. Kandra can also wear clothes with aluminum or metal foil sewn into it. Electrum and atium mistings would cloud also people around them, just a little bit, as their interaction with others might get change or influence just wxtreamly slightly by using those metals - butterfly effect. And Renarin must also interpret his visions, they are useful, but not without downsides. I did say that they might try to imitate what Set was doing, and gather metalborns and Investiture in one place. And that was just one of few propositions on how to get into CR. Placing too much Harmonium in one place can make perpendicularity just by itself. So Harmonium and metalborns might create perpendicularity. It's speculations at this point of how much Automomy was necessary there, did she just provide raw investiture or there was something more that she needed to do, I do agree that there might be something more to it, it's most likely, we don't know for sure yet. But Scadrial might try to replicate that, and they know that Harmonium itself might colapse into perpendicularity. Allik was concerned that Wax might store too much Harmonium in one place, despite Wax thinking that he doen't have that much Harmonium, so we don't know how much Harmonium is needed for it, and it's hard to predict. Moreover Scadrial has most likely 2 Harmony's perpendicularities, one is safely guarded far in the south (by Malwish?), and second one might be in southern Roughs (newspaper article). This idea isn't my main point or important one at all. I know that it has limitations and might not work. I don't give it that much attention, as there are better alternatives, but Scadrial still might try doing that and at this point we don't know what would happen.

Yes, Autonomy was involved in this one for sure. However I failed to see how this WoB proves that ONLY Autonomy/Shard can do it. Autonomy is heavily invested on Taldain, making her bound to it and unable to leave and manifest perpendicularity on different planets. Somehow, she is doing it, when she shouldn't. If the same preconditions were met without Shard influence, then perpendicularity might form, as we don't now what are those conditions. And we know making perpendicularities is not something only for shards, and anyone can do it. A little yes, but Roshar has half its logistic roads cut off. I would say still that Roshar is hurt more than Scadrial, as for Scadrial they would still have to sneak past Rosharians or take it by force. We've already talked about it. Making guns requires more than Roshar has. Soulcasting won't make it. But that's no Nightblood. And how that works still? No, he don't yet he still like being present on/near a battlefield, even if periodically, like in WoK, WoR, WoR. His presence with soldiers boost their morale, makes them proud and more disciplined - he would still wander among regular soldiers and camp workers just to help with his visit. That's the man he is. Which is a regular piece of armor of an late medieval period? Chainmail, partially plated armor, full plate armor etc - that's a norm. They just need to be close to it to rushed toward it when he opens it. With him being a spy for longer, he could get assigned as an escort for a cargo, or guard in close proximity to it. And those are, except enlightenment Thruthseekers? If you are counting Death Rattles I would stop you right here. Renarin can't see-see the future, he won't be able to see war strategy of Scadrial, or battlefield tactics and deployment. Ane electrum and atium users will interfere with Renarin's visions. And it's not like he can control what he sees.

Which Roshar has no ability to make? I doubt you could get Nightblood-gun from Nightwatcher. How would that gun even work? It would consume bullets you're trying to fire. And Nightblood-bullet would consume the gun. Unless made of aluminium, but than good luck finding, recovering and reloading the gun, you have to put it back in new cartridge case with gunpowder in it, which would be consumed by the bullet. But that's a fun idea. Scary but fun. Like shooting mini black holes. It is, but Dalinar is doing it on the battlefield, not in Urithiru far away from it. TLM ch 59, both pure investiture and invested individuals are important in creating perpendicularity. That one was a surprise to the Set, as they did not expect it to be there and had to cover it from the community. Scadrial doesn't use it, don't rely on CR at all, so it doesn't hurt Scadrial. It hurts Roshar as they can have 2 ways into CR, and move Dalinar so him and perpendicularity can both supply different fronts of the war. We've already talk about it, I'm not jumping back into that hole again. Yes you can, but armor is made out of metal, metal is glowing in Scadrial's CR, blinding anyone looking at it - put a person in a metal armor and their soul can't be looked at in CR.

Yes, he can get personally tied to the gun as he's the only one that gun will allow to use. Leading behind the lines is different than staying in a bunker of some sorts. Dalinar still is in the battlefields, just not fighting but as a support. As it took few dozens and a few years in TLM, few hundreds/thousands might manifest it in several weeks/months. That's enough. Why would they crippled their logistic and supply chains by doing that? Even if they have a Bondsmith that can make a perpendicularity, having a second way in is much more better. And what if that kandra would wear a metal armor? It would be hard to see it's soul and differentiate him from Roshar troops under all that metal. No spikes visible in CR. So short and fast. Feels good.

What if the curse would be that only he, or nobody, can use what he got? Pepole living in CR and more accustom to different nationalities presence there also might find Tukari weird, and then it's just gossip. I did not assume, I just asked. Oh, don't worry, I'll be different. I will refuse to give sources cause I won't be able to find them OR he needs a distraction, a diversion, a surprise attack. And then he sneaks into Dalinar's bathroom. Yeah, CR is a problem, but Dalinar isn't a coward and won't hide when his man are dieing. Staying in CR would be agaist the Code. But what if, than Scadrial can focus their metalborns in one place, wait for perpendicularity to form, and then make surprising attack on unprotected CR and Dalinar in there. Or they can try sneaking into Harmony's perpendicularity. Or kandra spy with the spike waiting for Dalinar to open perpendicularity from CS. These are the shortest responses that we've made here so far. Weird.

There are some great ideas here, especially @slavagh, seams very likely. I doubt it will be something else than a duel, as Odium told Taravangian during his deal with him, it's binding not by the words, that can be differently interpreted, but by the spirit of it. Dalinar is convinced it will be a fight to death. I think the loophole was already foreshadowed to us twice - Hoid told Jasnah a story about person who always bets only on win or lose, but he lost to someone who made him draw and second time in a Death Rattle. The contract Dalinar and Odium made, specify what happens in case of Dalinar victory and defeat, but not a single word about a draw - what will happen if both contestants would withdraw or both be killed. When duel ends in draw, the contract no longer apply, and Odium would be freed of it. The first ever Death Rattle in whole series foreshadows this, and we all know what Brandon likes to do with this. "We are his" probably refers to the origin of Humans and their first god, Odium. 1000 days till Everstorm is obvious. But the first part "The love of men is a frigid thing, a mountain stream only three steps from the ice." is unknown to us. What could this mean? Cold, mountain, stream, ice? Well it gives me impression that it could be about Urithiru, probably related to duel of Champions - "the love of man" - with all that was spoken in this topic, its fits with someone like Dalinar being forced to fight someone he loves - Adolin, Gavinor, or stoping the fight because of love - Adolin vs Kaladin, Dalinar vs Vyre (stoped by Kaladin) etc. I bet this part of the Death Rattle predicts the ending of SA5 and duel of Champions. Unfortunatly I think Dalinar might get killed, hurt or broken. But the reason I think that would be a case is soo many Death Rattles predicting that something bad will happen to Stromfather. He will suffer, maybe become a deadeye, be shattered, or be ripped off from Roshar completely - there are too many Death Rattles suggesting something like this. Stormlight will be gone, Highstorms will be gone. Only endless weeping and darkness will remain. And there is that Death Rattle: This also refers to water raising. I think that whatever Todium will do to Dalinar and Stormfather causing endless weeping, would flood Roshar and unintentionally lead to flooding and destruction of Kharbranth. This will mean breaking of the deal between Odium and Taravangian, hurting him in process, making him unable to act and susceptible to attacks. Todium destroying Kharbranth would be very poetic and fitting. Every time when he was emotional and passionate, he cried easily, "they were his own tears". I think it will be a duel, between two people who are loved by Dalinar, or love eachother (Kaladin/Dalinar vs Adolin, Adolin/Dalinar vs Gavinor, Adolin/Dalinar vs Vyre) and both will agree to withdraw form it, or both will kill eachother. It might also be stoped by Dalinar himself, which would mean breaking the contract, and that would harm both Dalinar and Stormfather as well, stoping Hightstorms and Stormlight, which would begin endless weeping. Drawing the fight beause of love is the loophole for Odium.

All of that curses are a big deal if you're going to the war. And then you have gun, and we're back to discussion "Roshar can't copy even more advanced guns". But some people does. That could be said about most of our topics here, at some point we started them to make some point, now it's all lost. Were those forces of Autonomy that are now gone? What? I don't remember! They didn't but they were made to carry bombs in them, but they falt short on range and payload mass - We were already talking about it. Steelrunner with spike surprising him in the bath. Or nuke. Protected doesn't mean invincible.

And get curses like not recognising gemstones, seeing upside down, being mute/deaf etc. I doubt Dalinar with his expiriance and randomness of Nightwatcher would allow for that. Not to mention how much of this can be made by her, and how much only by Cultivation (guns?). Cool idea anyway, not practical and unpredictable, can backfire terribly. I'm not denying that many would passed and hit, some might get nudged just enough to miss the target. It's not like that he would be actively observing Tukar, it's that someone might have tell him in regular conversation, he might have heard the news, heard the gossips or what sprens and people talks about, saw himself in one of his ventures outside, and then just connect the dots coming to conclusion that Ishar has a Honorblade. Tukari presence is noticeable weird in CR. Words of Founding consists of all the knowledge that Sazed had in his metalminds, that most likely included war, religions withs strong war focus, and of course the fall of Final Empire and wars of Last Empire - there was quite a bit of battles there. He was tasked wtih preserving all knowledge, war is part of that knowledge. Just basic of it, and patrols and guarding a camp is very basic, that helps to train troops as well. I ment, putting illusion right on someone's face that did not expected that. In that case, she was putting illusions on herself, limiting the distance the light would need to travel significantly, plus she was some distance away from witnesses. That was different. Read the chapter. The illusion of her father and mother and long gone drawings appeared. Different casue 3 realms were close. Light has mass, but what Jasnah saw was too much for that explenation, like Shallan put more mass to her illusions than just in normal Stormlight. Yes, but that still is my point. Autonomy did not resolved all of problems they were facing at all times. She provided a lot of help, but people still had to figure some stuff by themselves to get there. Tbf idk why are we discussing it? Yet Sazed did not most likely could replicate Wax experiment? Yes, she could understand principles, made estimations, but that still was something new to her is some way. From coppermind about Trellium: I was talking about the tests and rocket launches. They tested the bombs in caves, they tested rockets with intention they would have bombs in them. They had electricity provided in a way that would make it portable/launchable. And they were all doing it in Bilming. That's why. Yes, all of that I previously pointed out. But we don't know it. We don't know if it's radioactive or stable, but most likely both are stable. That's why I think that's not regular fission, as not done with neutrons spliting unstable nuclei, but rather strong nulcear force acting on protons and neutrons ripping them appart and spliting the atoms. Or something different. We don't know, but the effects mostly resemblems nuclear fission and fusion. It literally leaves Atium and Lerasium as products. That's why it's best to compare it to fission as that's the closest we have. It might be, that the same way Harmony is a fusion of Ruin and Preservation (figuratively speaking), Harmonium is a fusion of Atium and Lerasium., and fission of Harmonium splits it into Atium and Lerasium. All of that was to point out to you, that you can't just scale up a chemical reaction and multiply by 10 to make potentially fission/fusion one, as they both work on different principles. The energy in chemical reactions comes from bonds between atoms, in fission it's from nuclei being ripped apart. Chemical reactions deals with electromagnetic force, while fission with strong nucelar force. Fission reaction is millions time more energetic than chemical reactions. They are just not comparable to each other it the way you did. And that's why I suggested to measure the power of bombs (H-W and H-T) by looking at the scale of Wayne's explosion and damage done, and goals H-T bomb was meant to achieve. My point is, Dalinar is irreplaceable, he has the most experience, knowledge, skills, intuition, training (11 years!!! and with Ishar involvement), and he's renomed leader and commander. You cannot just slap a bond on some random dude and make him new Dalinar. Even with being a squire, he would still be lacking all of that in comparison to Dalinar, and would still require weeks or months of training before being sent to Scadrial, by this time all Rosharians and Radiants would be dead.

In future posts inform that you are still reading OB.

Yes, only Skybreakers didn't abandon their Oaths, and then began to hunt and kill those who might be close bonding a spren, like Lift and Ym

ROM, you mean RoW Rhythm of War? It's about the secret that caused Recreance. Did you read Oathbringer to the end?

On Roshar yes, on Scadrial only Dalinar can - and they can't carry unlimited Stromlight. And that's the Scadrial's tactics, drain Radiants out of Stormlight. Because modern artillery is different than it was 100 years ago? During 1914-1915 Germany produced 3500 artillery pieces, that's 10 a day. Scadrial of course cannot compete with Germans, but still they have heavy industry switch to war production and after few weeks/months they would be able to produce several a week or even 1 per day later. And there is rate of fire. Early AA guns were able to shot tens rounds per minute and late WW1 more than 100rpm. So tens of thousands are not needed. It's random explosion that the boulder might met, at it would gave it horisontal speed, if strong enough it might just missed the gun it was falling toward. My point is, if Kalak already have figured it out how to get out of Roshar, after hearing about Tukari in CR, which are now under Ishar rule, and cannot get into perpendicularity because of the war, he might jus figure it out (as they now each other for thousands of years) that Ishar has reclaimed his Honorblade, like Nale before, and if he knew how, then he would very much go to see Ishar already. And Tukari presence is weird in CR. Maybe I overestimated but they would be sleeping soon. They are not stupied not to have night patrols as police already have them... Why do you assume they're idiots? It's stupid. They have generals that successfully deploy weapon against Malwish ships - even without being at war. Night patrols and guards are not just for protecting yourself from enemy, but to prevent desertion, spies, unruliness, theft, and it's a training for guards to increase their observation skill, readiness and discipline. That's like the very basic of camp life. There definitely were books about basic of warfare, and Elend's conquests left by Sazed that describes how to guard your camp... Because the alarm was sounded and the risk is very high? They might get into the fight, get caught, or killed and more importantly guards now knows that they were intrested in the storage, so they will search it for anything unusual, and they would find that food started to spoil fast, or hunger is getting stronger around it. They would quickly find that fabrial and from now on they would know what your plan is and work against it. And how would they not notice a stream of light going before their very eyes and forming image at first? Really, how would they not notice that? When Shallan ever made illusion just right at someone's face that - read again OB ch 61. The Stromlight is very visible before it makes an illusion. That won't work. I'm gonna repeat what I said in that message - "what was noticed by Jasnah, she might even soulcast to add matter/mass to thier illusions". To add to it, Shallan also made illusions of drawings that she'd lost. She was able to quickly made that army out of drawing she'd lost and likely add mass to it, because the 3 realms were close to each other (OB ch 120). Nothing in the books categorically disproves it, and as you pointed out in WoB, Brandon also doesn't. So it is as likely it's a sapient spren, as it's a Shardplate spren. Fair point about working with Odium. That was my point, Autonomy did not fixed all problems they faced, they had to find solution to it on their own. Maybe because it was first time for her with Harmonium during that 6 years? That never happened before as no Shard before was combined with other Shard. Ok, but Elendel does not have cabel line on the streets that could carry that power, but Wax used one to link generator with his machine. However Bilming was remade for Autonomy, and Set would certainly put proper cables that would link the rockets with city's power plant, giving them the power they would need. Or not even, as that power was only nessesery just before the reaction, So the onboard generator on rocket or however they do it, would work, as they HAD working rockets for smaller yields, so somehow they resolved that problem. Form the description of it, what result it have and what best fits it in our world. It splits Harmonium into Atium and Lerasium, convertes mass into energy according to E=mc^2, and is the most powerful and most efficient explosion ever made - which fits very well to fission (and thermonuclear bombs as that is both fission and fusion). And the atmosphere ignition talk from Harmony was a clear reference to Trinity test, and real worries about igniting atmosphere with first fission bomb test. That just fits the best all characteristics of the reaction that took place. It could be also pure conversion of mass into the energy, like matter - anti-mater reaction, but that is even less comparable to chemical reaction of water and cesium. Until Brandon says what it was, we might as well try to compare it with the most fitting reaction we can make. Not as a fact, but as a best fitting model. Yes, but Sibling and Stormfather are different, they work differently. And quoting you from this post: Teaching new Bondsmiths would take a long time, during which Roshar on Scadrial would be stuck without Stormlight and completely annihilated. Not to mention Navani is on Roshar with Sibling, and we don't know if she can use her powers away from them, and she is making Towerlight, not usable for Radiants. Dalinar is the single point of failure in that invasion, without him, Roshar is doomed. His experience and abilities are irreplaceable, and without them, Roshar can't fight.

Igniting atmosphere of an planet means fusing its atoms with one another accros whole planet, like in the core of an star or in thermonuclear bomb. That is jus not physically possible, as it was known issue before first even nuclear test, scientists made calculations and it just shown that it can't be done. The atmosphere is not dense enough for it, it composed of heavier elements, that requires even more energy to fuse, the energy losses to radiation always overcompensate the gains due to the reactions, and the temprature that is require is jus too high to reach and sustain in whole atmosphere. So yes, Harmony said that, but it's not possible. He probably was too panicked to realised that.

500kg rock is still a big one. They would have to carry it for very long way, and it would slowly drain them out of Stormlight. Just as Scadrial wanted. Yes it can, but how many artillery pieces can they destroy at once? Not everyone, and losses would be quickly replenished by industry. And rocks falling from skies, can be slightly pushed out of course by explosions when passing through the range of artillery. And you know this because Kalak told you? Or maybe because Ash or Nale are the examples of other heralds having knowledge about other surges? It's about ability of Bondsmithing that Kalak needs, if he had figured it out. Yeeeah, that's make sense. No it didn't. That's why guards are for, that's why night shift is for, that's why patrols are for. Vital parts of the camp are guarded by multiple guards, and patrol often (not just by 2 people). Even if whole camp wakes up (but it wouldn't), they would be sleeping again after 10 minutes, and that won't cause much sleep deprivation. And if alarm is sounded, Lightweavers would abandon their mission on the spot. Also did we ever had someone making huge illusions right in front of someone's eye that they did not noticed? Shallan is always making her illusions out of anyone's sight. I'm not talking about boosting, I'm talking about special combination of making first perpendicularity and swearing next ideal as a Bondsmith, and how that affected people nearby. Taln gains his sanity back, Jasnah could do soulcasting like never before etc. The three realms were almost one at that point. Shallan had lot's of Stormlight, and what was notieced by Jasnah, she might even soulcast to add matter/mass to thier illusions. That was one time thing due to special circumstances. Cause it would be pointless for Taravangian to lie when Dalinar could easily check it for himself now? Yes, that what I was talking about. Autonomy did not gave them answers to the all the problems Set was facing. She gave them help but they had to figure it out themselves. Not to mention, H-T reaction was still a novelty for even Autonomy. Don't forget it was Telsin bargain with Autonomy, that she would control Scadrial instead of destroying it, as Autonomy had a back up plan. And where you got that about industrial cables? Yet somehow they had working rockets for smaller warheads, but that was not what they wanted. Yes, that wasn't chain reaction, it was Harmonium reacting with water/water vapor in the air. And it was long after the initial fission reaction. Wax was holding Harmonium in his hands. Not a smart move, he admitted that. I don't really understand you at this point as I gave you multiple examples as how it's not just a mass in case fission reaction. Trellium is relevant, but it's placement might be even more revelant, allowing for lower Trellium mass but bigger explosion. We don't really know that much about it. But I yes, Trellium is important too. That's true. And how many squires Bondsmiths currently have? How many candidates for squires are currently known? Zero. Even if Dalinar gets his squires, they would still be years behind him, and Stromfather is known for "you're not ready for this" and "you will know it when you're ready for it". They would not be any replacement for Dalinar.

But the Navani's carriage was out of wood, not a huge stone rock, weighing few tons. With the few trick, like flickering lights, it would be confusing for Windrunners to find correct target. But does Nale possesses the knowledge that might help him escape Roshar? So why would he bother with purelakers? I didn't say they are rare, just not everyday. It would be spotable if the guards recognise it. In OB Shallan had a freshly sweared Bondsmith around, that made first perpendicularity in thousands of years behind her back. It's a war time, ammunition needs to be delivered for morning bombardment, wounded treated, food deliverd to kitchens for breakfast, messages for officers - not to mention regular patrols around vital points of a camp. Anyone of them walking through illusions would raise the alarm. So it's safe to assume that half-shards are traping high sprens, as Taravangian said. How big was Autonomy involvement? If she was that involved why didn't they make rockets that could reach Elendel and carry the bomb? Where do you got that it's only around Trellium? Couldn't it be a chain reaction, as Harmonium splitting is causing more Harmonium to split? What if Trellium was bigger would it react with Harmonium farther away? They could place enough Trellium to react with all Harmonium, or change the placement of Trellium. We don't know with what forces or particles it interacts, but it doesn't seems to be radioactive (nor Harmonium), so I think it could react via strong nuclear forces or electromagnetism (not like in real fission, in which neutrons splits atoms). We need Brandon on this one. And I gave you multiple examples of how it's not pure calculation of mass with real life fission physics. And here you also gave example of that, as if it's limited to just around Trellium, than adding more Harmonium won't make explosion bigger, as it's not reacting with Trellium (by your statement), it could even decrease the power. Harmonium is fissable material, not Trellium. So, what would happened if you have big amounts of Cesium, like a few tons of it, and pour just 0.5l of water onto it? Would all of Cesium reacts? I don't know, I'm not good at chemistry. From the reaction equasion 2Cs + 2H2O → 2CsOH + H2 it doesn't looks like it. So not all Harmonium would react with Wayne's water? That's my point, and he wasn't engulfed by fireball, or burned by thermal radiation - which would happend if the yield was big enough. Above 1Mt fireball has a radius of more than 1km. And how would that help somehow to recover Bondsmith with 11 years of experience and unique bond with Stormfather? Not much. They would be doomed without Dalinar.