Popular Post Natans he/him Posted January 12, 2015 Popular Post Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Ok hi folks !!! Long time no see =)Other day I was re-re-reading WOR and also catching up with the later WOB and and i noticed something odd.Brandon one of this days said that Kal had a very abnormal number of squires for a radiant. If are just this ok, but being watchful of Brandon sneak way of foreshadow things I notice that in Dalinar vision where he saw a squire troops was are described, the twenty or so bridgeman 4 that supposedly are Kaladin squires aren't so great number to avail Brandon comment of Kal have a larger squire's numbers.Then something clicked. What if not only bridge 4, but all thousand ex-bridge member are squires. Think about They all follow Kal, they all are broken things with a common savior, and they all in different level believe that Kal are their leader, Sargent Pits with his respectful attitude come to my mind in this)Of course it take time to oneself start using they power, Lopen the most determined one, and the other bridgeman just began gain theirs power after Kal said his third oath, maybe will take time to the other bridge crew do the same(or more oaths), but in the and all have the potential to be squires, and who knows maybe Radiant. And this sure would help mankind to survive, 1000 squire army appearing out of nowhere to save the say, that would be nice to see =) Some thought about this guys, or I'm seeing things =) 19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kipper he/him Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Interesting thoughts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RawToast225 he/him Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Oh my gosh, that would be so freaking cool! I want to see a stormlight sucking army! Freak, I can see it in my head now. Up vote from me, friend. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kipper he/him Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Imagine the fight scene Brandon could write with the army and a highstorm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold Fusion he/him Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 This is the most upvote worthy post I've seen in months... Just imagine a thousand windrunning squires ripping the evil parshendi army apart!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Kaladin+1000StrongwindrunningSquireArmy=WorldDomination 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kipper he/him Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 I think you mean Cosmere Domination. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unhinged he/him Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 This is a really cool theory but there are some problems that Kal might get into having so many squires First off will his going away at the end of WOR somehow weaken the bond and leave his barely formed squire army without the ability to use stormlight, probably not since he was separated from them for weeks during the march to the center of the plains and they were still able to draw in a little stormlight in the battle but who knows how long he's going to be gone for this time. Second will having so many squires weaken them, or can they all draw in the same amount of stormlight regardless of how many of them there are. Finally will this affect Syl in any way. Like I said above I think this is an awesome idea and it could potentially offset that the're are only a few knights to face the upcoming Desolation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bort he/him Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 I doubt it will be all 1000 of the Bridgemen (I could be wrong though), but I think it will be just Bridge Four who become Squires. A few of them, Rock, Lopen, Sigzil, for example, should become Radiants themselves. Not for any particular reason, just because they are great, so some Spren out there should recognise this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natans he/him Posted January 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 He going away will be some a plot device just made put him in a vulnerable situation with no stormlight and in the heart of the chaos, but i don't see offsetting his bond with his squirs. Lopen was in the Shattered Plains and Kal was in Urithiru when Lopen started to glow, so distance shouldn't be such factor. =)There is plenty of spheres in the world and they discovery that will need they to fight Dalinar could easily create more. We already saw 300 Knights together in the recreance (and this are just one order) 1000 squires aren't so different of what they had in that time =)We don't Know enough to say that Syl will be affected, by my book this could be inclusive the that next step in Kal Knighthood, his 2 first vows are about protect, maybe the 2 remaining are about be a leader and have 1000 squires to lead are a good way.And finally Brandon 0 Rule, In Doubt err for the side off awesomeness LOL =) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaze1616 he/him Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 I feel Unhinged is correct in believing time apart will affect the potency of the Squires. Everything in SA seems to be about bonds. Maintining the bond between individuals is difficult during lengthy separation. Moreover, Kaladin is probably in for some major characterization when he has to deal with what happened to his home town (whatever it may be), him being a pseudo-lighteyes, and him being the Radiant known to pretty much the entire Alethi army. This characterization will potentially alter the bonds to his Squires, possibly affecting their powers as well. In addition, I feel Kaladin does have an abnormally large number of Squires, given he's the only one with any at the moment. We can theorize who Shallan's and Jasnah's might be, but I do not recall anyone being confirmed other than Lopen. I also believe it is just Bridge 4, and not all the bridgemen, because only Bridge 4 have a particularly strong bond to Kaladin. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Star Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 Somebody needs to start playing 2 Steps from Hell "Strength of a Thousand Men" right now. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RawToast225 he/him Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 Somebody needs to start playing 2 Steps from Hell "Strength of a Thousand Men" right now. Lol, yes! I love that song! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Star Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 Lol, yes! I love that song! Here you go! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGcIkqPTHo0 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natans he/him Posted January 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 Recent word of Brandon that serve as evidence to my little theory =)Q: I said since Shallan has a unique ability of Memory from her blended surges, is fighting what Kaladin has?A: No. His unique ability is "Strength of Squires".1000 Squire army will happen I can feel LOL=) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pestis the Spider she/her Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 Recent word of Brandon that serve as evidence to my little theory =) Q: I said since Shallan has a unique ability of Memory from her blended surges, is fighting what Kaladin has? A: No. His unique ability is "Strength of Squires". 1000 Squire army will happen I can feel LOL =) Well, for me "Strength of Squires" means that squires are stronger not more numerous. Maybe Brandon means strength in stormlight use? I mean, Lopen already managed to regrow his arm, which I think is pretty amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RawToast225 he/him Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 But there is strength in numbers. Maybe Lopen is just as powerful as a normal squire with many many more to come. Say.... 1000 more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pestis the Spider she/her Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 (edited) But there is strength in numbers. Maybe Lopen is just as powerful as a normal squire with many many more to come. Say.... 1000 more? Well, true. But 1000 squires powerful enough to at least regrow limbs? Well, I think that we can count Desolation as already won then. Edited January 23, 2015 by Pestis the Spider Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RawToast225 he/him Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 Or we can count our beloved heros as having a chance. They will be fighting millions of Voidbringers, Thunderclasts, shadow thingies from the visions of Dalinar, and who knows how many other unspeakable evils created by Odium. They honestly will need as many advantages as possible. If they don't get them, they will lose. Dalinar (who can't fight), Kaladin (who can't be everywhere), Lift (who is a healer), and Shallan (who is a wimp) can't defend against everything alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pestis the Spider she/her Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 (edited) Or we can count our beloved heros as having a chance. They will be fighting millions of Voidbringers, Thunderclasts, shadow thingies from the visions of Dalinar, and who knows how many other unspeakable evils created by Odium. They honestly will need as many advantages as possible. If they don't get them, they will lose. Dalinar (who can't fight), Kaladin (who can't be everywhere), Lift (who is a healer), and Shallan (who is a wimp) can't defend against everything alone. They won't lose, they're in the book. (I'm still trying to get a fantasy book that ends with all main good characters dying, and general success of the "bad side", but actually I expect ASOIAF to end this way). And honestly I really doubt they will stop the Desolation by killing every single Voidbringer there. There is always some smarter way to do that (at least in books), like defeating the main bad guy, etc. Edited January 23, 2015 by Pestis the Spider Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RawToast225 he/him Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 (edited) In this case, they will need to make Odium appoint a champion for them to defeat. Until that happens, there will be war. The only way for them to survive a war is to get a good defense. Essentially it's a stall tactic until they can talk to Odium, convince him he can lose, and kill his champion. (This comes from Dalinar's last vision in WoK.) Edited January 23, 2015 by Arthur Dent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Necromancer he/him Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 This is a very interesting idea. I wonder, if true, does this mean Kaladin is a God with his own Holy army? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RawToast225 he/him Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 (edited) No, he is the leader of the Holy Army. It's like my a high priest trusted with the most power. Again, that's just assuming it's all true. Edited January 23, 2015 by Arthur Dent 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arondell Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 (edited) They won't lose, they're in the book. (I'm still trying to get a fantasy book that ends with all main good characters dying, and general success of the "bad side", but actually I expect ASOIAF to end this way). And honestly I really doubt they will stop the Desolation by killing every single Voidbringer there. There is always some smarter way to do that (at least in books), like defeating the main bad guy, etc. It isn't to all peoples tastes but S.M. Stirling's novel "Snowbrother" was along those lines. I'm not sure if it is still in print. Also look up his alternate history Draka series if you want intelligent, practical, vile and successful villains. I have heard that he had conflicts with Jim Baen over the issue of his letting bad guys be so successful before he jumped ship from Baen. Though from what little I have read of him in the past fifteen years he seems to have drifted away from that type of thing. Edit : I should mention that there were two versions of "Snowbrother." The second version toned down the evil significantly. As for the first version. Well here is a quote from one analysis I found on line. In the first version of Snowbrother, it was very much as if Stirling set out to create a story that was completely and consciously anti-moral fiction... one in which the bad guy not only won out over the good guy, but did so in the most ethically reprehensible and utterly nihilistic, anti-humanistic manner imaginable, as well. So yeah...Not nice. Edited January 23, 2015 by Arondell 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pestis the Spider she/her Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 (edited) It isn't to all peoples tastes but S.M. Stirling's novel "Snowbrother" was along those lines. I'm not sure if it is still in print. Also look up his alternate history Draka series if you want intelligent, practical, vile and successful villains. I have heard that he had conflicts with Jim Baen over the issue of his letting bad guys be so successful before he jumped ship from Baen. Though from what little I have read of him in the past fifteen years he seems to have drifted away from that type of thing. Edit : I should mention that there were two versions of "Snowbrother." The second version toned down the evil significantly. As for the first version. Well here is a quote from one analysis I found on line. So yeah...Not nice. Well, that's actually sounds pretty interesting, but that not exactly what I want. What I want is to be surprised by the ending. In almost all books the good guys win, which is too predictable, but if the bad guys would win I would be really, really surprised. And I'd like that. The rest of the books has not straighforward morally characters and no real distinctions between good and bad guys, which makes it more surprising and interesting, but still not as surprising as bad guy winnig. But now you told me that these books end this way, they're no surprise anymore. : ) But I'll check them out anyway, so thanks! And yes, I've read ASOIAF and that's why I want characters dead. Even GRR Martin stopped killing his characters, really. (Although there ispossibility that my favourite character is dead, and if he is then that will cause mixed feelings in me.) No, he is the leader of the Holy Army. It's like my a high priest trusted with the most power. Again, that's just assuming it's all true. Well, if we see it this way I sense (with my Force sense) some more Kaladin-lighteyes problems. Imagine: Kaladin is the uber Knight Radiant with shiny blue eyes and his whole Holy Army. Maybe his Army also gets eyes all shiny because of stormlight? And because of that he is actually strengthening the belief that lighteyes are better or more important. That would blow Kaladin's mind. But Kaladin's Holy Army sounds pretty awesome. Edited January 23, 2015 by Pestis the Spider 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arondell Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 Well, that's actually sounds pretty interesting, but that not exactly what I want. What I want is to be surprised by the ending. In almost all books the good guys win, which is too predictable, but if the bad guys would win I would be really, really surprised. And I'd like that. The rest of the books has not straighforward morally characters and no real distinctions between good and bad guys, which makes it more surprising and interesting, but still not as surprising as bad guy winnig. But now you told me that these books end this way, they're no surprise anymore. : ) But I'll check them out anyway, so thanks! That is a bit of a catch-22. If you say your looking for stories where the bad guys win then anything someone suggests based on that criteria will kind of give away the ending. The interesting part isn't the ending. It is how you get there. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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