Mat he/him Posted October 4, 2020 Report Share Posted October 4, 2020 ...Well, I just got back, and I really need to read the end of D3 now. How'd that happen? I mean, it's a timely swing, but Venture was way ahead last I saw... I guess this soft clears Lotus some more. (Also, what was the vote count @Kynedath? It's not in the writeup) Kinda annoyed I read Ventyl as slight village... I guess I need to figure out how to read chaotic players. I am curious on who else mentioned a village read on Ventyl though. If anyone did... Off to catch up on D3, and then bed. Bye! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vapor she/her Posted October 4, 2020 Report Share Posted October 4, 2020 On 10/2/2020 at 4:31 PM, Matrim's Dice said: First, this: You did say you missed my post, but this is kinda what I was saying (Which reassures me that I didn't think of something unplausible). We don't actually know anything. It clears no one, which is... unfortunate. I'm wondering how much you trust your contact though, read wise. Don't share that to the main thread, though. Second, reads, yay!: xinoehp512: Agree with Elk that it's good he's here, and agree with Ash that we shouldn't clear him for it. @xinoehp512, anything more to say here? Null... Mist: I don't remember exactly what they said, but I remember I thought it was thought out and seemed sincere. Slight village with a dash of please be a bit more active Ashbringer: To me, Ash is kinda the same as Mist, just more active. He has pointed out some things I think are kinda strange to point out, though. Null leaning slight village and maybe a slight 'will investigate later'. Matrim's Dice: A bit confused, but sincere. Solid Village Elkanah: Arguably the most helpful so far. Seems like his usual village game. Village Kings_way: A lot of people have pointed out the seemingly strange view of the monk, which is true. But also King is a new player. But also he's been pretty defensive and quiet lately, and there's only so far 'new player' can go as an excuse. Null leaning slight elim Lord_Silberfarben: A frustrating-I-think-mutually-shared-please-for-the-love-show-up-and-do-something-Null! @Lord_Silberfarben!! Vapor: Said they had a huge post that the Shard ate, I believe promised to get back to us... and then disappeared. @Vapor. Null leaning slight elim Ventyl: Now, while their vote and timing of said vote on Lotus was strange, Ventyl is strange himself. That's not super excusable, but seeing that I can see where he was coming from and considering that what I thought about Lotus actually isn't confirmed at all, I'd put Ventyl at a Slight village, but that could be subject to change depending on the arguments against him. I haven't read his post in a while. Lotus: At this point, with the adjud claim making me think Lotus was village, then realizing that this isn't as concrete as I thought, and rereading Illwei and TJ's points... I'm at a Null crossroads, though my gut tells me to investigate her more. @Lotus, what are your suspicions? Butt Ad Venture: I'm thinking I'd probably be fine with a Venture lynch, but I need to go reread his posts. To be determined. Looking back at that there's a frustrating amount of Null's, at least for my liking. If I had to make an elim team guess, I'd put Vapor, King, Lotus, and Venture in there. (Something else interesting I just thought of- the current distribution is probably 6/4/1, or maybe 7/3/1, so we might be seeing some free elim sacrifice deaths here soon if they continue to fail to find the Monk and if we continue to fail to find them ) TL;DR: Village: Myself, Elk Slight Village: Mist, Ash, Ventyl Slight Elim: King, Vapor Very Slight Elim/Investigate Later: Lotus, Venture Null: Everyone else (Plain Old Investigate Later: Xino, Ashbringer) @Butt Ad Venture analysis post to come. Probably tomorrow. Sorry, I got my phone taken away and then I went to my grandparents. I'm working on a reads post for the morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Lotus she/her Posted October 4, 2020 Report Share Posted October 4, 2020 Ok, we got one! Hooray! I’ll do a analysis of his posts tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ashbringer he/him Posted October 4, 2020 Report Share Posted October 4, 2020 The one time I give Ventyl the benefit of the doubt... sigh. My guess is he never got the chance to steal anything because nobody claimed they lost an item, although I'm not entirely sure how that would work. It's also surprising how we lost an Elim with so few total votes... this could have been a bus. That could explain some things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elkanah he/him Posted October 5, 2020 Report Share Posted October 5, 2020 Well, I have a minute. Here is a rundown of Ventyl's votes Spoiler Vote 1 Votes Gears for elim claim Vote 2 Unvotes Gears Vote 3 Votes Lotus as an alternate to Gears Vote 4 Votes Lotus again. On 9/29/2020 at 11:13 AM, Ventyl said: Okay, it’s time for my post by post analysis of Lotus! I did one of these in LG... I don’t remember the number, but it’s been too long and I need to get back to doing them. Although, I generally find it hard to read people from the content of their post, and not just their vibe, I can do it if I look into it long enough. Anyway, here we go! Day One: 1) A simple RP post, something about a worldhopper . NAI 2) Claims “adjuntator,” I wonder if this spelling was supposed to be an intentional joke, or an actual misspelling of the role. Either way It does strike me as odd that she claimed the role, after we’d talked about not wanting one to be killed by the elims. This is either an extremely village move, or an elim who’s line of thought was along the lines of; “If I claim this role, they won’t kill me?!” 3) After being asked why she claimed, says because she wants to try something new, this is going to be NAI. I can’t really fault someone for this, and I also can’t know if it’s true or if it’s just an excuse to avoid suspicion. 4-6) A back in forth between Lotus and Illwei about the latter moving their vote off of Gears, there isn’t much to read from this, but with how easily Lotus just lets Illwei’s ‘explaination’ satisfy her, the conspiracy theorist in me wants to see a Lotus-Illwei elim team. That’s probably not the case though. 7) Claims they read the rules about adjudicator wrong, seems suspicious, like she’s trying to backpedal her way out of suspicion. This gives me an elim read. However, it could be a genuine misunderstanding, I would know because I did the same thing in LG67. 8) Warns about rollover, NAI. Night One: They didn’t make a single post the entire turn... could easily be discussion in the elim doc. Though, it could just as easily be they weren’t able to get on in time. This gives me a bad vibe, they also could’ve been in PMs, so if anyone was in a PM with Lotus I would like to know. Day Two: 9) Claims to have been roll swapped, this gives me an immediate elim read. One, this could easily be her lying so that she no longer has to worry about suspicion as an elim adjudicator, and this is what I think it is. The likely hood that they were an adjudicator in the first place is also low, so why they would lie about having the role, and then getting it swapped strikes me as something extremely suspicious. I tend to believe that lying about your role is a pretty elim thing to do. Yes, there are circumstances where doing so as village can be beneficial, but it can cause too much chaos in the village to be helpful. Sure it’ll generate useful discussion, but if you have an important role and end up being killed, because you lied about your role, it’ll be terrible for the village. I was about to make this point, but I was ninja’d. This is one of the main reasons I think we lynch Lotus here, I had my reasons last cycle and now I have more. Sorry if some of this is pretty incoherent, I’m in a rambling mood right now. If you have questions about my vote, feel free to ping me about it. So @Lotus, how do you plea? That's all of them. One vote for Gears and two votes for Lotus That coupled with this: On 9/30/2020 at 2:25 PM, Ventyl said: At this point, I’m still suspicious of Lotus. As you’re contact could be lying about being an Adjudicator, and Lotus could’ve lied about being one in the first place. The latter gives me giant elim buzzer noises, as I think lying about your role is usually an elim move. Besides that, I think you should consider that there may be an elim!Lotus + elim!You’re secret contact, whom you won’t give us their name, team. That might just be my paranoia talking, but I think it’s something worth considering Elk. I might just leave my vote on Lotus, considering I still do want them dead as I feel like they’ve been getting a lot less attention than they deserve for what they’ve done in thread. They’ve also hardly contributed much to the game as a whole, which is always an elim sign for me. But the main reason I’ll keep it on her now is so we can get some group PMs. If you have anymore questions about my vote, I did make a long post earlier this turn, so it might answer some things! Now that I know an elim was pushing this perspective makes me think my contact and Lotus are both very likely village. Elim Ventyl had no reason to try and persuade me on this point. I don't think it was Ventyl trying to throw us off at this point either as there was no reason to believe they'd be voted off. I'll look more into these interactions in the day cycle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Lotus she/her Posted October 5, 2020 Report Share Posted October 5, 2020 (edited) @Elkanah Thanks for doing ventyl analysis. I’ve been swamped today. Will try to look at his posts tomorrow. Edited October 5, 2020 by Lotus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kynedath Posted October 5, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2020 (edited) The cycle is closed. PM's will be out shortly. Day Four will begin after that. Edited October 5, 2020 by Kynedath 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kynedath Posted October 5, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2020 Day 4 Lenkai admired the stars. He looked at them with longing, yearning to understand them. The water in the canal below him lapped at the stone he stood on. The sound was soothing. All things considered, this was a good night! The stars were clear, and he finally had some free time to see them. Lenkai found himself falling into the water of the canal. How did he get there? When did he get stabbed? There was a pain in his side. That wasn’t good at all. He wished he could have seen the one who did this to him. He wanted to know who had murdered him. He liked knowing things. The water was cold as he hit the waves, and the salt stung his stab wound. He tried to swim, but his arm wouldn’t move properly. The water found its way into his nostrils and it wasn’t too long after that he found himself unable to breathe. His eyes dimmed and black enveloped him. His eyesight turned to black, feeling disappeared, and he fell unconscious. Lenkai awoke on a surgeon's table. His side ached like he had never felt before. The man sitting next to him stirred as he saw Lenkai wince in pain. The dagger he had been stabbed with apparently hadn’t damaged anything irreparably, and he would still be able to work as one of the rulers of Arelon for the foreseeable future. The story the surgeon told was one of miracles. Lenkai had been found on the embankment of the canal, nearly half a mile from where Lenkai remembered being when he was stabbed. The surgeon was nearly about to go home for the night when Lenkai was hauled to their front door. The fees were going to be astronomical. Elkanah was attacked and survived! The cycle will end in ~48 hours, on Tuesday the 6th, at 2000 MDT (0200 GMT). Item Market: Spoiler Item Price Noble Insignia 24 Trade rights 24 Embargo 39 Personal Messenger 17 Contract Market: Spoiler Contract Price Muder 110 Surveillance 72 Bodyguard 61 Identity theft 87 Player List Spoiler @xinoehp512 - Enjoys counting Gears - Kadio, the ultra-capitalist Loyal Merchant Trademaster @Mist - Tara Night, is their heart as dark as their last name? @Ashbringer - Faleast, . . . bone collector? @Matrim's Dice - Phialico, rhymes with calico @Elkanah - Lenkai, the anithesis of the player Illwei - Akiia, big fan of onions and probably ogres (layers joke) Loyal Merchant Actor @Kings_way - Oreo, double aon = double cool @Lord_Silberfarben - a man of two words @Lotus - Sunwalker, quote: "horribly unlucky" @Vapor - Taeon, hates most things (lik most 30-something year olds) Ventyl - Lafay Etteax, keeps dying and coming back to life! Fjorden Sympathiser Burglar @Butt Ad Venture - Lawrence Lokennake, Kleptomaniac? or Charlatan? TJ Shade - everyday working-man Loyal Merchant Kingpin Devotary of Spontaneity - Serenken, establishment clause for the win! Loyal Merchant Actor 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat he/him Posted October 5, 2020 Report Share Posted October 5, 2020 (edited) Some quick reads before I head off to bed, jotted down from what I remember: Village: Elkanah: Was just attacked. Enough said. (Though I guess in this game Elk is marked as 'not elim' :P. He could have bought a protection, which is plausible considering his trusted status, or he could be the monk. Doesn't really matter which, as we won't be lynching vil!Elk or monk!Elk, and I doubt he'd claim Monk if that was what he was.) Lotus: Was targeted heavily by a confirmed elim. That's village in my book. Slight Village: xinoehp512: Started the lynch on Ventyl, iirc. That'd be a pretty big bus. (Though considering the elims were probably at their own lylo, or at least close to it, it's more possible. Maybe I should look into that more. Or maybe I'm just being paranoid.) Null: Ashbringer: Been sorta avoiding most of the major discussion, but that isn't too odd for Ash. He's been helpful in his own way. Leaning village, but still Null. Mist: Similar to Ash Mist has been helpful in her own way, but paranoid!me is warning to watch for the Ventyl bus (perhaps similar to xino). I'm thinking that's probably nothing, and Mist is leaning village. But Null. Lord_Silberfarben: Inactive. @Lord_Silberfarben @Lord_Silberfarben @Lord_Silberfarben @Lord_Silberfarben @Lord_Silberfarben Vapor: Also largely inactive. Though active on the Shard. Leaning slight elim. @Vapor Slight Elim: Kings_way: I do appreciate the last post he made, which softens my elim read of him somewhat, but it'd be nice if he were more active. Similar to Vapor but had prior suspicion. @Kings_way Butt Ad Venture: Besides prior thoughts, I don't like how silent he's been lately, I don't like how quickly the lynch turned off him even though it flipped onto an elim. @Butt Ad Venture Withholding a vote hoping for activity from the people I tagged, and waiting to see what others say. Night! Edited October 5, 2020 by Matrim's Dice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Ed Venture Posted October 5, 2020 Report Share Posted October 5, 2020 9 hours ago, Matrim's Dice said: Butt Ad Venture: Besides prior thoughts, I don't like how silent he's been lately, I don't like how quickly the lynch turned off him even though it flipped onto an elim. @Butt Ad Venture Sorry, Had little to no access to the shard until today. Made it a little difficult to play. But with an Elim killed, and Elk surviving an attack, we are in a great position. Quick me looking at Venty's posts, I like this a lot after seeing Ventyl do this: Spoiler 1st: RP 2nd: Votes Gears due to strategy mimicking + elim claim 3rd: Asks Question to Kyn 4th: Unvotes Gears, due to joke vote on Gears' elim claim. 5th: Analysis where he declares everyone neutral. 6th: Responds to questions answer 7th: More joke vote reasoning 8th: Tries to lynch lotus, set up village trust? Elims want to kill Lotus. I would almost say there is an Elim Aducator, if not for the fact that Ventyl was lynched successfully..I'm going to look at this more, as it stands out. 9th: Typo Fix 10th: RP? 11th: Looks more like more village trust. Advises Actors to stay safe 12th: This is good. It's all Venty's reasoning for lynching Lotus. First of all, asks for who was in contact with Lotus. That bothers me, but no one answered I think. Throws general suspension on Lotus, Misreadings, equates lying about one's role to being an elim, and uses that suspicion about Lotus's role being changed to Lynch Lotus. Lotus is soft cleared. 13th: More role lying = Elim. Calls into question Lotus's starting claim, that's a little new. Calls Elk and Elk's contact suspicious. Lynch for PMs. So, after all of that I like Village Lotus, Village Venture, and Village Elk. I'm left wondering why an Elim would try to lynch a good Elim kill target though. Probably just Village Trust, but that still seems to be going against Elim goals. I'm going to see if I can write up an analysis post on people defending Ventyl later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat he/him Posted October 5, 2020 Report Share Posted October 5, 2020 35 minutes ago, Butt Ad Venture said: Sorry, Had little to no access to the shard until today. Made it a little difficult to play. Fair. And I mean, you did defend Lotus before anyone else, and did suggest the Iadon switch, so maybe I should lay off of you. Give you a Null reading. I don't even know... This being my first game intermingled with school my brain kinda feels scrambled. 40 minutes ago, Butt Ad Venture said: I'm going to see if I can write up an analysis post on people defending Ventyl later. I don't remember anyone straight up defending him, but I wasn't exactly gung-ho about his lynch But that's just because I was suspicious of Lotus at the time, albeit for my own reasons, and I viewed him as chaotic so I was trying to be more lenient. That, apparently, was a mistake. Just thought I'd throw that out there before you go accusing me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vapor she/her Posted October 5, 2020 Report Share Posted October 5, 2020 Finally found enough time to post on both my SE. Here is the end of that post I promised, and a read. Mention of how busy/ tired I am, apologizing. I haven't really been keeping up with these games and this is only slightly modified from the time I drafted it, so sorry if this is information that we cleared or un-cleared. Mist: Village for PM reasons. Xino: Village for PM reasons. Elkanah: Village for helpful/activeness and PM reasons. Lotus: Slight Village for PM reasons. Ashbringer: Not super helpful, I haven't been paying enough attention to form a strong opinion. Very Slight Village. Silber: Inactive. Null. Kings_Way: Not super active. Not sure about this one, so Null. Venture: I don't like the way the lynch flipped off of him quickly, but that is the way of SE. Very Slight Elim. Matrim: Defended Ventyl, somewhat helpful. Slight Elim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat he/him Posted October 5, 2020 Report Share Posted October 5, 2020 (edited) 44 minutes ago, Vapor said: Matrim: Defended Ventyl, somewhat helpful. Slight Elim. So I’m slight elim because I’m helpful. Hmm. I’ve already explained my read on Ventyl, so I see no need to do it again... an incorrect slight village on a known chaotic player doesn’t mean I’m an elim. I don’t love how much PM reasons you have (maybe that’s just because I’m not in them...) but also because you didn’t include things such as Elk being attacked and Lotus being Ventyl’s target in your reads. It’s also kinda strange that there are four players all clearing each other for PM reasons when there are no group PMs. All that is just me thinking out loud. Paranoid me with no idea of who the elims are... Take it how you will, guys. Edited October 5, 2020 by Matrim's Dice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vapor she/her Posted October 5, 2020 Report Share Posted October 5, 2020 10 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said: So I’m slight elim because I’m helpful. Hmm. I’ve already explained my read on Ventyl, so I see no need to do it again... an incorrect slight village on a known chaotic player doesn’t mean I’m an elim. I don’t love how much PM reasons you have (maybe that’s just because I’m not in them...) but also because you didn’t include things such as Elk being attacked and Lotus being Ventyl’s target in your reads. It’s also kinda strange that there are four players all clearing each other for PM reasons when there are no group PMs. All that is just me thinking out loud. Paranoid me with no idea of who the elims are... Take it how you will, guys. As I mentioned, it's not completely updated because I don't have enough time to check all of my everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashbringer he/him Posted October 5, 2020 Report Share Posted October 5, 2020 (edited) I got a lot of CS Homework to do today, but I have a post I can write up in a bit once I get a sense of how long it will take. Edit: Long. The answer is Long. Edited October 6, 2020 by Ashbringer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Lotus she/her Posted October 6, 2020 Report Share Posted October 6, 2020 So... only like five hours left? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mist she/her Posted October 6, 2020 Report Share Posted October 6, 2020 Yes. I'm planning to work on a post. Just also need to do homework. You know what, I'm going to work on homework for 30 minutes, then come work on a post. Only after 30 minutes of homework, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat he/him Posted October 6, 2020 Report Share Posted October 6, 2020 Just now, Lotus said: So... only like five hours left? Yep. I don't know about you guys, but I'd rather not have a sudden vote frenzy 10 minutes before the turn ends. I'm sure Kyne feels the same way. Only problem is, I dunno who to vote for. Kings and Venture both gave me reasons to lay off on them, Vapor is kinda weird to me but that's l-a-r-g-e-l-y gut, and everyone else is either Null or Village. If someone has an idea, or a tell, or something, maybe I'll see your view. *shrug* at the very least it'll get me thinking. (Friendly reminder that the lynch now has a 2 vote minimum, also. I think.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Lotus she/her Posted October 6, 2020 Report Share Posted October 6, 2020 Not a fan of Silber, King or Venture. Other then that, I don’t have many ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashbringer he/him Posted October 6, 2020 Report Share Posted October 6, 2020 I have one idea. So, the Monk is obviously not dead. As things stand now, there's likely the Monk, six living Villagers, and three living Elims. This is assuming that there were four Elims to start, as five would have already reached parity and three seems far too low for a 15 player game, especially with alignment scans. (It's also assuming that the Elims didn't know their night target would survive, ie no scan or WGG involved.) Last Day turn, there would have been 1 Monk, 6 Villagers, and 4 Elims. If there was a mislynch, then the Elims would have one shot at taking out the Monk - and his bonus life - before they reached parity, and if the Monk's been stockpiling Deo then a Murder contract could quickly create a loss for the Elims. The Elims also didn't go to any great lengths to save Ventyl, because there were only 2 votes on him and two on Venture - neither of which were Ventyl's vote. So I'm suspicious of a bus here. It's rather compounded by the fact after I said maybe we shouldn't lynch Venture, Xino and Mist voted Ventyl within two minutes of each other, with Mist in particular reversing her position entirely to make a tie from Xino's vote, but using my reasoning. Xino I've voiced my suspicions of several times over. But Mist... regardless of the vote hitting an Elim it seems too planned and too perfect. And since a bus directly helps the Elims stall it out here... that's where my vote will go for now. Might swap to Xino depending on @Mist's response. So what do you all think? Other note: @Elkanah, I may have done the same thing as you last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Lotus she/her Posted October 6, 2020 Report Share Posted October 6, 2020 I’d prefer not to Lynch mist. I know they haven’t been super helpful, but I feel like there are some better targets. Then again, what do I know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mist she/her Posted October 7, 2020 Report Share Posted October 7, 2020 xinoehp512: village for PM reasons Mist: village for PM reasons Ashbringer: slight village for activity Matrim's Dice: slight village for activity Elkanah: village for attack, contribution. Kings_way: null leaning elim Lord_Silberfarben: null. Lotus: mild village for claim timing, Ventyl pursuing her. Vapor: village for PM reasons Butt Ad Venture: null. In the later game, null reads should and do default to elim for me. Stuff from D1. Quote Juuuust going to make the first vote. I'm debating to lynch Kaido (Gears), or a random who hasn't posted. I've made a pact to vote every round...so I'm going to toss a poke vote at..... *flips coin* ..... *rolls die* XINO @xinoehp512 Let the games begin. From Venture. First vote, I believe NAI, but I am wondering with whom the pact was made. Quote Role analysis and claiming elim? NAI Gears stuff, I think. But also I wouldn't read it as village cause he's probably gonna just claim elim at the start of every game regardless of alignment ... I do think we should try to unlock PM's, though. From Mat. Possibly because he knew Gears was village? Lower segment is village. Quote We definitely don't want the Elims to win, but if we find the spy, we should take them out. That said, I agree that we should focus on elims, because the spy doesn't have a night kill unless they buy a contract. From Kingsway. Is there a way you'd prefer your name shortened? Mentioned before. Quote Matrim - Discussion, I agree with him on wanting PMs. Lotus - RP, no discussion. Venture - Randomly poke votes Xino. Ventyl - Could have been claiming elim? "I shall poke Gears, only for the reason that he’s using a similar strategy to my own . (He did say he was an elim too?)" Elkanah - Probably the most active so far, reasoning is good. Acting pretty normal. TJ Shade - I understand why he's being careful about adjudicator. Makes sense. Gears - Claimed elim, yet acting like a villager and being helpful. From Vapor. Summary, but not reads. Slightly sus. Quote So here's a mini analysis, as complete as one can do 1 page into D1: xinoehp512 – Hasn't posted yet. Following the thread. Has a poke vote on them. @xinoehp512 Gears – Claimed elim, which is NAI for them. Seems as helpful and normal as I would expect. Slight Village. Mist – Hasn't posted yet, following the thread. @Mist Ashbringer – Hasn't posted yet, but is following the thread. I'm poke voting them. @Ashbringer Elkanah – The most active and arguably the most helpful player thus far. Good vibes. Poked Devotary. Gut Village. Illwei – Hasn't posted yet. @Illwei Kings_way – Made a statement about killing the DMS, which is unhelpful early on. Sort of an elim way of thinking, but as they're a new player I'm more inclined to read it as that. Null. Lord_Silberfarben – Hasn't posted yet. @Lord_Silberfarben Vapor – Posted analysis without reads. Null. Ventyl – Poke voted Gears for... doing what he himself does? I don't think Ventyl is also claiming elim, because of this wording: Quote I don’t know how I should feel about this strategy, it feels too similar to my own . Except the elim claiming part, I just like to cause as much chaos in order to make hopefully useful conversation. But it's kinda a strange poke. Null, though, Ventyl is chaotic. And if he's trying to generate conversation by being so, look! It's working! Lotus – RP, and that's it. Null Butt Ad Venture – RP and a poke vote on xino to get things going. Null TJ Shade – Seems to be pretty worried about an elim adjudicator, which makes sense to be worried about. Depends on the number of the elims. Null, with no idea which way it's leaning. Devotary of Spontaneity – Hasn't posted yet. @Devotary of Spontaneity So I don't have any negative reads right now. And my village reads are on the active players, which is probably... typical for D1 More updates on this as the game goes on, I'm sure. From Mat. Lots of null. Two village reads. Fairly NAI Quote Opinions: Matrim - I'm a little surprised he reads me as good. That usually isn't the case. Even so, it feels like he is good. slight village Lotus - Any preliminary opinions? Null Venture - Random votes Xino over Gears (Gears' plan is working). I'd like to see a little more, but I understand if you are waiting for Xino to post before picking someone new. Do you maybe have an idea of others you'd like to see more from or has anyone rubbed you a weird way? I just can't let you get off with a random poke vote. It feels like you're skating by. Very slight elim. Ventyl - Voted on Gears for Gears causing Chaos. Which you like? But you like it when you are the cause. I can respect that. Chaos is my best info gathering tool, but when there are two I don't know if I can trust my own results. Even so... Do you believe Gears is an elim? or at least detrimental enough that he ought to be removed from the village? I suppose I'm trying and failing to understand your reasoning for finally voting on him. My best two ideas are a joke vote or a poke vote. A poke vote isn't helping because he has posted. A joke vote is a good reason... but will you give me some more people who you are also suspicious of? Very slight elim. Elkanah Really a hero among men. Village TJ Shade - I'm going to hold your feet to the fire a little bit this game the same way I did Kynedath last time. Role analysis is good, but I'd like to see you tie yourself to people. I understand you are quite busy, so I'll leave it at that. Null Gears - Is an elim. You're quite active which I appreciate. You have done a lot of the same things as I have in identifying important roles. I'd like to see more of your opinions on players, though. What were your thoughts on Ventyl's vote? Null Kings Way - Interesting opinion on the spy. My thought process is that the game is very awkward for the elims as long as the spy is alive. Maybe we shouldn't protect them, but the most damaging thing they can do to us is vote. *looks at rules to see if that is correct* Interesting, so they can use a roleblock or a bodyguard ability as well, but they have to kind of out themselves to get it. Either of those seems good to me. If the spy hooks up with the elims they could pull a WGG I guess... Wait, no the elims would kill them. Ok, it may not be bad to provide a little cover for the spy by spreading the vote next turn so they can unlock being a roleblocker/bodyguard. They don't know who the elims are, so they can't thwart any of our murders and they might end up saving villagers on accident. Sorry, that thought process took over my analysis for a minute. My first instinct was to read you as an elim for wanting the village to take out the spy for you, but you may be right, so I'm going to percolate on that thought process a little longer. Very slight elim. Vapor - Good reads. Do you have any accusations to go with them? Null Devotary - I agree that insignias are definitely not as valuable as the surveillance contract. You bring up an interesting point as to whether we believe someone is the Spy if they claim. I don't know. Maybe they can prove it? but that would be easy enough for an elim to fake with an embargo. Hmm. I keep wanting to assign the Spy to a team, but that's the whole point of a third faction. They aren't on a team. But yes, the elims should take care of them for us. Null Four Ninjas Later Ashbringer - Good RP Mist - I hope the test went well! From Elkanah. Reads. Lots of null. Quote Ah, so no telling the monk to tell us who the elims are or we kill them. Man, I was basing my whole plan off of that From Ventyl. He asked if the monk knows the elims, something that was apparently a concern for an elim. Quote Matrim: I instinctively want to trust them because they think my elim claim is NAI. However, this read is null. Elkanah: I like the discussion, though they are thus far NAI. Slight village for chit-chat, but objectively a null. Kings_way: I fundamentally disagree with their spy strategy. Slight elim for that, but they're a newbie. Anyone not mentioned is a null. Gears read list. Quote NULL - Mist: Hope you did well on the SAT. I'm more of an ACT person - Ashbringer - Silber - Lotus NULL/- - Gears: Their Inital Analysis seems more like a summary to me - Matrim: Null with a pinch of bad gut read in there - King: Seemingly contributing to discussion, but nothing to say. New player, so understandable. - Venture: maybe it's just because I see being seen as vaguely sus as good for yourself if you're village, and responding to a read based off of one post seems pointless. - TJ Shade: idk bad gut read - Xino: In the one game I was in with Xino where they were village they posted and in the 2 other games where they were Elim they only talked in the Elim doc - Ventyl: (Null/--) Bad vibes NULL/+ - Vapor: put out some sort of reads, woot - Elkanah (Null/++) Being helpful From Illwei. Maybe look at this a little. Quote Other than my slight/gut village on Elk and Gears? Not really. I'd say the only person who's done anything I'd consider suspicious is Kings_way, and I'm actually just thinking that's more new-playery than elimy. Thoughts on Lotus below. From Mat. Defending slightly, which makes sense, but could be ties. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Lotus she/her Posted October 7, 2020 Report Share Posted October 7, 2020 (edited) Kings way Sorry I can’t explain reasonig right now, GTg Edited October 7, 2020 by Lotus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashbringer he/him Posted October 7, 2020 Report Share Posted October 7, 2020 10 minutes ago, Mist said: So... you going to answer my question? 4 minutes ago, Lotus said: Kings way Sorry I can’t explain reasonig right now, GTg I saw that vote edit. I'm not sure if you're supposed to do it that way (I think you're supposed to green it out and put a new one), but whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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